So, at the end of SW Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, they said there was balance in the Force after all Sith were gone. However, Darth Revan says the Force is in balance when you find a path somewhere in the middle between Light and Dark. Now, what is REAL balance?

Lore disagrees with revan.

 

Revan is wrong. You know where that philosophy got him? He fell to the dark side again.

 

If you try and skim the line it just makes it easier for the dark side to tempt you. This is how the dark side acts.

So, at the end of SW Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, they said there was balance in the Force after all Sith were gone. However, Darth Revan says the Force is in balance when you find a path somewhere in the middle between Light and Dark. Now, what is REAL balance?

These are two different balances.

 

In RotJ the balance refered to is the balance of the force as a whole, where overall everything balances out, there may be pockets of darkside energy like the cave Yoda sends Luke into in Empire Strikes Back, but they are balanced out by the rest of the force.

 

Revan however was refering to a personal balance of the force, in this case you have a foot in both sides of the force, and can influence them both. This is a path for force users to eschew the extremes of either the darkside or the lightside, bringing personal balance, which they then impose on the galaxy. This view is generally considered to be non-canon, especially as Lucas himself decried it.

So, at the end of SW Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, they said there was balance in the Force after all Sith were gone. However, Darth Revan says the Force is in balance when you find a path somewhere in the middle between Light and Dark. Now, what is REAL balance?

 

See... there is actually a pretty interesting point to be made here if you ignore alot of the EU stuff. If you take the movies at face value, and stand alone, then come the end of RotJ there truly is balance. Consider that Luke never truly completed his training and therefore isn't a true Jedi. That leaves him as a Hero (granted a force sensitive one) using the teachings of the Jedi to accomplish a goal. With Vader and the Emperor dead the Sith order is gone. With Obi-wan and Yoda dead the Jedi order is gone. A.K.A Balance.

 

On a side note... this scenario also means Anakin did fulfill the prophecy, seeing as Vader's suicide/murder of the Emperor redeemed him to be Anakin once more.

Read the Darth Plagueis novel and you will find out what restoring the force back into balance is all about.

See... there is actually a pretty interesting point to be made here if you ignore alot of the EU stuff. If you take the movies at face value, and stand alone, then come the end of RotJ there truly is balance. Consider that Luke never truly completed his training and therefore isn't a true Jedi. That leaves him as a Hero (granted a force sensitive one) using the teachings of the Jedi to accomplish a goal. With Vader and the Emperor dead the Sith order is gone. With Obi-wan and Yoda dead the Jedi order is gone. A.K.A Balance.

 

On a side note... this scenario also means Anakin did fulfill the prophecy, seeing as Vader's suicide/murder of the Emperor redeemed him to be Anakin once more.

 

Wrong, Luke was a fully trained Jedi Knight in ROTJ. His final task was just facing Vader, which he did to complete in fully becoming a Jedi in both title and skill. Despite what a lot of people think, Luke wasn't ill trained or ill skilled.

Edited March 19, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

balance as it pertains to the prophecy of the force is when both fonts of power, dark and light, are humbled and given a new beginning.

 

Destroying the jedi was necessary. Destroying the two head Sith Lords, also necessary. These two massive organizations of power had to be brought down if there was to be balance in the force, and this was done: In the end, there was the dark, the light, and only few champions (relatively speaking) for either side. That is balance.

 

Remember, the prophecy is to bring balance to the force, not destroy the Sith. There's a huge difference between the two, and that is demonstrated even in TCW with the episodes of Mortis.

 

It doesn't matter what Lucas says, really. Any balance in any context of ANY movie or any real life scenario is a juggle of good and bad, luxury and necessity, pride and humility, etcetera. Balance is, indeed, a juggle between the dark and the light, not absolute prevalence of the light.

Lore disagrees with revan.

 

Revan is wrong. You know where that philosophy got him? He fell to the dark side again.

 

If you try and skim the line it just makes it easier for the dark side to tempt you. This is how the dark side acts.

 

I dont think you understand what revan meant.

But from a lore perspective i cant say is totaly wrong, it depends how you look at it.

watch the mortis episodes of the clone wars.

Wrong, Luke was a fully trained Jedi Knight in ROTJ. His final task was just facing Vader, which he did to complete in fully becoming a Jedi in both title and skill. Despite what a lot of people think, Luke wasn't ill trained or ill sk

You cant blame people for that. Its what the supreme source of Lucas canon meaning the movies shows to the audience.

 

Read the Darth Plagueis novel and you will find out what restoring the force back into balance is all about.

Yep this. Edited March 21, 2013 by Spartanik

Read the Darth Plagueis novel and you will find out what restoring the force back into balance is all about.

 

Care to share what it said? I mean I wanna know what he said about it.

watch the mortis episodes of the clone wars.

 

I did. The idea of 3 Force gods annoyed the heck out of me and spoiled the whole greatness of the SW storyline in my opinion.

You cant blame people for that. Its what the supreme source of Lucas canon meaning the movies shows to the audience.

 

There is also the movie novels, which is on the same level.(You can only have actors and effects do/show so much..especially in that time) Not to mention other sources where people can look to within the movies timeframe. But ya I suppose the average movie-goer/fan wouldn't look any deeper.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi

Balance is just a platitude for people to deploy in support of their own ideological or realpolitical aims, something as true in Star Wars as it is in the real world. It's also never particularly clear why a "balance" should even be desirable. Historically, the state of being of an "imbalance of power" between various countries has sparked wars - but so has a "balance of power". And in Star Wars, if Anakin and Luke Skywalker really did put the Force into balance by their actions during the Battle of Endor, those actions do not seem to have made the galaxy appreciably safer or less violent.

You cant blame people for that. Its what the supreme source of Lucas canon meaning the movies shows to the audience.

 

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There is also the movie novels, which is on the same level.(You can only have actors and effects do/show so much..especially in that time) Not to mention other sources where people can look to within the movies timeframe. But ya I suppose the average movie-goer/fan wouldn't look any deeper.

 

See... there is actually a pretty interesting point to be made here if you ignore alot of the EU stuff. If you take the movies at face value, and stand alone, then come the end of RotJ there truly is balance. Consider that Luke never truly completed his training and therefore isn't a true Jedi. That leaves him as a Hero (granted a force sensitive one) using the teachings of the Jedi to accomplish a goal. With Vader and the Emperor dead the Sith order is gone. With Obi-wan and Yoda dead the Jedi order is gone. A.K.A Balance.

 

On a side note... this scenario also means Anakin did fulfill the prophecy, seeing as Vader's suicide/murder of the Emperor redeemed him to be Anakin once more.

 

 

Like I said IF you disregard other sources and look only to the movies.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Hoech

Like I said IF you disregard other sources and look only to the movies.

 

Except I wasn't speaking of this whole balancing thing, merely pointing out that Luke wasn't ill trained or skilled. Even if you just go by movies, time still does pass in which things are not shown which taking that into account Luke is still well trained.

I never claimed he was ill trained, merely that he hadn't completed his trial. As far as the movies say, he blew his chance at completing his trials when he went to face Vader the first time.

In-universe and among the fandom there are two conflicting ideologies about what "balance" means:

 

1: The Jedi/Light Side represent balance in the Force and the Sith/Dark Side represent imbalance/corruption. I think there's a quote from Lucas at some point supporting this interpretation. If you follow this belief, Anakin fulfilled his destiny of "bringing balance to the Force" when Luke redeemed him and Anakin killed Palpatine, destroying the last of the Sith (as far as the movies are concerned).

 

2: Balance is the Light Side and Dark Side of the force being in balance with each other. This is supported in a few EU sources like the Mortis arc of The Clone Wars and the end of the Legacy of the Jedi series of novels, where Luke himself comes to believe that the Jedi and the Sith orders have taken on the roles of the Daughter and the Son respectively as the embodiments of Light Side and Dark Side, after Anakin refused to become the new Father.