Klarick Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Dear Bioware, As a Founder and subscriber, I'm a little dismayed that you are willing to give away so much of the game, that I pay for each month. Dont get me wrong, I like FTP options as I do think they are beneficial to the ongoing development of a game. However, the path you have chosen is unpredented in how much it gives for nothing. A person can play the entire storyline of every class in the game, on either side of the conflict, without paying a dime! Really? That's a bit much IMO, and sort of a slap to us that pay monthly. As a suggestion I would like to see a more LOTRO type of model where a FTP'r has to buy quest packs and zone unlocks in order to progress. This method allows the FTP'ers a choice in what parts of the game they want to play WITHOUT angering those that pay a monthly subscription. What you have done here is decide to just give the game away. I trust you know what you are doing here, but I, for one, am not too crazy about it. Thank you, Klarick FOUNDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatile Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I... can't tell if you're serious. Free2Players already have to buy extra quick bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenshinCyborg Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Please adjust model? Yeah, you're so important that Bioware is going to change everything just for you. Might want to check this link and see if it's you: http://ohinternet.com/Unwarranted_self_importance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintForHire Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I agree with OP. As a subscriber, I do feel like they give away too much. Just my opinion, but also, with this knowledge, becoming a preferred player is a definite possibility in the future for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctioned Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Satire aside, why do people keep thinking the Founder title comes with priviledges and commands the devs respect? The Founder title lets the devs visually know who they already took money from. The devs have done a great job making players feel special about having it though, that's for sure. Think about that the next time you see a free and cheap incentive from a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Well, this is a refreshing change from the barrage of "FTP is too restrictive, please adjust" posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klarick Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I... can't tell if you're serious. Free2Players already have to buy extra quick bars. Hello Tatile, FTP'rs HAVE to buy extra quick bars? Who told you that? A FTP'er is given, for free, two quickbars. I have played since Beta and can tell you, that although 4 bars are convenient, they are not necessary. Actually, if at any point you find yourself REQUIRING more than 2 bars, than you are playing SWTOR incorrectly. I agree that more than two is convenienet and a niceity, but two is really all you NEED to play. When BW first announced the FTP restrictions, the FTP'er was only going to get one quickbar. At that time, I was on your side of the argument, as only having one bar would pretty much make the game unplayable before a person would hit 50. BW adjusted thier thinking, now you get the needed two. If you want more, then just pay the $2.00 bucks for the convenience of them. Edited November 18, 2012 by Klarick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synxos Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Hello Tatile, Actually, if at any point you find yourself REQUIRING more than 2 bars, than you are playing SWTOR incorrectly. . I have to have 3....I think it's you who's playing it incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatile Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Actually, if at any point you find yourself REQUIRING more than 2 bars, than you are playing SWTOR incorrectly. . Enlighten me, oh mighty one: how shall I reach the zen of play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I... can't tell if you're serious. Free2Players already have to buy extra quick bars. I'm sure he is serious. I think they should have had to buy the box to get the storylines personally. Also, I really wish they weren't allowed to que up for hard modes in their non-artifact gear. It's not good enough for the content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobearz Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 wow the ego on this guy. if BW/EA do put on more restrictions, i say that they should just do away with F2P and go back to the sub only model. while this game will return to it sinking ship status, at least you will have your your precious game to yourself without f2p players,right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synxos Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I really can't tell if OP is serious....or delusional. I subscribed for 6 months, but BW kept pulling some shady things that upset me. So I quit. The game wasn't worth a full subscription..... And what sort of F2P model do they give us..... it costs MORE to do F2P in a decent manner for PvP(and it goes for end game raiding too) than it does a subscription..... You're upset that they can experience the story? haven't you heard everyone complaining that they're are some insane restrictions? Charging new players for sprint at level 1, not enough quick bars.... Would have paying for each unlock been a better option? Probably. Because the current system is too EXPENSIVE, and it makes the story experience terrible. The F2P model is bad, but your title is wrong. It's not because it's too free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englefield Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 OP, does the free to play option does affect you in any negative way? I suspect it doesn't, so don't concern yourself with what others are getting, just enjoy your own game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercbenz Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) This is yet another horrible decision by BW. They give away a ton, but locked so much stuff its going to be an awful experience for people. They have the best story and grind to 50 of any mmo. They let people have it for free but then lock all the fun stuff behind pay. If I started a character today with all those limitations I wouldn't enjoy the game at all. So yes the give it away, but they made it crap. Totally boggling. Edited November 18, 2012 by Mercbenz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stncold Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Not sure if serious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 OP, does the free to play option does affect you in any negative way? I suspect it doesn't, so don't concern yourself with what others are getting, just enjoy your own game. It's filled my flashpoint/sm ops groups full of people not capable of the content due to lack of gear and preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatile Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Not sure if serious.. He hit Poe's Law well enough and got a couple of bites, but I don't think he can keep it up - it's just not stupid enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekkamansoul Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Ugh. I'm a founder too and I am very glad the best part of this game is free. The model as it is isn't horrible, but it's still very limiting and the number of threads about nickle and diming the player base as is is a good representation of how the community feels as a whole. And the comparison to LOTRO? Wrong, wrong, wrong. F2P players get access to the entire base game. You pay for the expansion packs. SWTOR doesn't have any expansion packs yet, unless you count the HK51 update, in which case you DO have to pay for it, so its effectively identical, but with much less quality of life features. Quickbars anyone? Hide head slot? Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xienive Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 As a subscriber, I am not mad at all with what F2P gets. In fact I would bump them to 10 wz's a week and 4 quickbars if I had that power. If you think F2P is getting a better deal then simply don't sub. Nobody is forcing you to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englefield Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It's filled my flashpoint/sm ops groups full of people not capable of the content due to lack of gear and preparation. FTP flashpoint and ops participation are heavily restricted (3 a week i think?) and if they're doing ops already they must be former subbers, who will be slightly more savvy and better geared. Besides, lack of sub is not related to ability in the slightest. This FTP lark leaves a lot to be desired, but let's not pretend there's a problem where there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldefail Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Dear Bioware, As a Founder and subscriber, I'm a little dismayed that you are willing to give away so much of the game, that I pay for each month. Dont get me wrong, I like FTP options as I do think they are beneficial to the ongoing development of a game. However, the path you have chosen is unpredented in how much it gives for nothing. A person can play the entire storyline of every class in the game, on either side of the conflict, without paying a dime! Really? That's a bit much IMO, and sort of a slap to us that pay monthly. As a suggestion I would like to see a more LOTRO type of model where a FTP'r has to buy quest packs and zone unlocks in order to progress. This method allows the FTP'ers a choice in what parts of the game they want to play WITHOUT angering those that pay a monthly subscription. What you have done here is decide to just give the game away. I trust you know what you are doing here, but I, for one, am not too crazy about it. Thank you, Klarick FOUNDER F2P has been hugely successful for LOTRO. Guess what. You get completely free access to the main "Fellowship" storyline. The quest packs you purchase are optional, they are not necessary to progress. EVERYBODY has to pay for expansion content, though. Edited November 18, 2012 by eldefail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roshe Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Actually, if at any point you find yourself REQUIRING more than 2 bars, than you are playing SWTOR incorrectly. . Who are you to tell ANYONE how to play or whether they're playing 'correctly' or not? Just because YOU think 2 bars is enough doesn't mean jack diddly squat to me. I like my 4 bars. They come in handy and I use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobearz Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 He hit Poe's Law well enough and got a couple of bites, but I don't think he can keep it up - it's just not stupid enough. huh i just learn something new tonight, thanks:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 FTP flashpoint and ops participation are heavily restricted (3 a week i think?) and if they're doing ops already they must be former subbers, who will be slightly more savvy and better geared. Besides, lack of sub is not related to ability in the slightest. This FTP lark leaves a lot to be desired, but let's not pretend there's a problem where there isn't one. Well, at 3 chances per week, it does mean they are less able because they haven't practiced as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RycheMykola Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) It's filled my flashpoint/sm ops groups full of people not capable of the content due to lack of gear and preparation. Running 3 FP or OPs for F2P's a week isn't the cause of people lacking gear or preparation for you, its the subscribers that are clueless then. Also, there is a limitation on the gear you can equip as a F2P and even limitations on quest rewards. So, if a F2P is undergeared, its by design, not by their choice. which, the only solution would be to make FP's even easier. Who wants that????? Edit: As the poster above states, how are you going to learn doing only 3 a week? Edited November 18, 2012 by RycheMykola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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