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Why people love HK-47? Get off the fanboy train and really tell me, because after watching and looking at him he doesn't really seem that special. Ok so...he has a cool/sarcastic voice and says the word "meatbag".......is that really all your giving me? People say hes special because he has his own personality....that doesn't make him special.

 

R2-D2

 

C3-PO

 

T3-M4

 

All went without memory wipes and they all developed their own personalities. Hes an assassin droid....that can kill jedi....again thats not really special, killing jedi isn't a special thing anymore. The CIS droids did it, clones did it, bounty hunters did it, its not a special thing anymore. He was built by the sith lord Revan....ok so? 3PO was built by Anakin at the age of 9(or was it 10?) so does that make him the best droid ever? In fact the only thing I find about him that is in detail is his personality, everything else is either non-existent or theres little information.

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Well its an opinion thing.

 

Everything you listed about HK, I"m sure many people love that about him.

 

C3P0 is comical, but too whiny.

 

R2DS is cool, but also comes off as bratty.

 

T3, honestly, nothing about him stands out to me.

 

 

 

You're right about how killing Jedis isn't particularly effective, but the CIS droids needed to be attacking a single Jedi in droves in order to actually kill one, and really the only bounty hunters that killed multiple Jedis was Jango and Boba Fett, two legendary Mandalorians and bounty hunters.

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It's entirely the personality and the method of delivery. It's something that's true of any one person in particular, let alone droids or other things.

 

To paraphrase George Carlin - It's not the punchline or even the joke that's funny, it's how it's delivered. Give any two people the exact same joke, put them in front of the same crowd of people and have them deliver it, and no matter who goes first, whoever delivers it better will be the one remembered and the one people enjoy the most.

 

It's the same thing with droids to an extent. It's not the chassis. It's the personality - it's that droid as opposed to that one.

 

For example, technically, T3-M4 and T7-O1 are incredibly similar. However... T7, to me, just has so much more personality (probably because we get direct translations of his statements), and is that much more loveable.

 

There's even a case example in KotOR2 itself - the HK-50 line of droids have a lot of the same quirks as HK-47 had. But none of them were as good as the original. They walked the same, they talked similar, they had similar speech quirks (outside of HK-47's trademark 'meatbag' commentary). They even looked the same. But HK-47 was superior in every facet. He was a callous, apathetic monster of a droid, and he was incredible.

 

Accept no imitations.

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Look at Boba Fett he is only in the movies for what maybe 15 mins or so and has 3 lines and then dies and look at how much fanboys go crazy for him.

 

 

He has 0 personality is just a guy who stands there and looks like a bad ***. His only notible acomplishment is that he was able to follow the Millienum Falcon with out being seen. He starts to fight Luke but is killed by a blind Han Solo.

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Look at Boba Fett he is only in the movies for what maybe 15 mins or so and has 3 lines and then dies and look at how much fanboys go crazy for him.

 

 

He has 0 personality is just a guy who stands there and looks like a bad ***. His only notible acomplishment is that he was able to follow the Millienum Falcon with out being seen. He starts to fight Luke but is killed by a blind Han Solo.

 

People love him more so from the Expanded Universe then what he actually did in the movies.

 

Its not like the expanded universe rewrote what happen to him ROTJ, they just explored his life and actions more beyond that embarrassment.

 

In fact, Dengar, the closest best friend Boba has, always makes fun of him for being sarlacc food.

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People love him more so from the Expanded Universe then what he actually did in the movies.

 

Its not like the expanded universe rewrote what happen to him ROTJ, they just explored his life and actions more beyond that embarrassment.

 

In fact, Dengar, the closest best friend Boba has, always makes fun of him for being sarlacc food.

 

but to be fair the fascination with him started before any of that was written.

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Possibly. I wasn't born when the original 3 was released so I don't know about people's fascination with him during that time.

 

For me, personally, it was the armor and the implied personality from his limited screentime ("No disintegrations." / "He's no use to me dead." "You will be compensated appropriately.").

 

All of the little details on his armor were fantastic, though - including the wookie-fur braids he had along the one side, the number of tools/gadgets (most of which didn't really get used, but AFAIK were expanded upon in the novelizations a little bit; I could be misremembering)..

 

He was one seriously hardcore bounty hunter (but a poor Mandalorian).

 

EDIT: Of course, I saw it in theatres as a kid, so my subjective opinion is definately wearing some coke-bottle nostalgia glasses. :3 Though on looking at it, that was the re-release and not the original.. that predates me by a bit.

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So.....really? Just personality? Thats why everyone says he can kill everyone and do all this crazy stuff?

 

That may just be on account of his specific Assassination Protocols, which were specifically tuned to make him incredibly deadly and accurate (to the point of being able to put down trained Jedi/Sith with his blaster rifle; He had Mandalorian-level combat training, effectively). A lot of that included a fair amount of autonomy in order to achieve a proper assassination: up to and including lies, deception, and removal of any and all necessary witnesses (HK-50a displayed this the most in KotOR2, and he was just BASED off HK-47. See end spoiler tag).

 

Personality, however, accounts for why he was so well liked. Fans tend to attribute other traits at their whim, sadly. Still, it's KotOR-canon that he had the skills package and equipment needed to kill Jedi/Sith, and he had a number of other skills related to his role as an infiltration/exfiltration/assassination specialist, allowing him to operate in other capacities (mechanic, protocol droid, demolitions, slicing, etc.) as part of his suite. He's also not technically the first droid in Star Wars to ever pull something like this off (IG-88 and 4-LOM come to mind).

 

It's also worth noting he did a lot of his particular things on-camera, so it's not just that he's reputed to be able to do these things: He goes out and does it, with ruthless efficiency and sarcasm. You seem to be heavily biased in your opening post with the amount of handwaving/goal-posting shuffling in your statements. :U

 

 

HK-50a manages to not only infiltrate a Republic cruiser through well-timed and executed manuevering, but in the same fashion fires off a spiralling plot to kill an entire mining facility in order to arrange the capture of his prize and insure that they would remain 'safe', all without getting caught until the end. If the Exile hadn't come out of hibernation early, he would have succeeded.

 

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So.....really? Just personality? Thats why everyone says he can kill everyone and do all this crazy stuff because of his personality?

 

I don't know where you are getting that from, but I would just dismiss that as fanboyism, which in most cases, can't be reasoned with.

 

I like HK's chararacter, but do I worship him? No.

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I'm not being biased at all its just...I don't see anything special about him, he just seems to be another assassin droid to me. Its not like he is the only droid who can slice, who has infiltrated a facility, who knows how to use weapons and kill others. Edited by Wolfninjajedi
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I'm not being biased at all its just...I don't see anything special about him, he just seems to be another assassin droid to me.

 

His skillset was a lot more in-depth then a lot of assassin droids. He certainly wasn't invincible, or anything like that, but out of the entire crew of people Revan had (and the Exile, if you built him in KotOR2's side mission), he was in a dead-heat tie for 'second most deadly' right next to Revan and the Exile themselves (Canderous Ordo did a fairly good job of competing).

 

Considering the crew and the dangers they generally faced, that was somewhat impressive of a feat.

 

Other then that, the reason he's so popular is entirely his personality and the exact way he went about his business. The same can be said of any of a million other characters in every brand of fiction ever. Sometimes, that causes fans to promote their beloved characters to pedastals they have no earthly (or otherwise) business being on.

 

Doesn't change the fact that he was the droid every other line of assassin droids wanted to be, and he only ever had one or two droids in history that came close to competing with him for 'Best Assassin Droid Ever' (IG-88 and 4-LOM).

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What skillset does he have though? All I haven't really found anything like "OMG" about what HK-47 can do that any other assassin droid couldn't. Whereas I can go and read up on IG-88 or 4-LOM and I can find a few "WOW" things about what they can do. Edited by Wolfninjajedi
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What skillset does he have though? All I haven't really found anything like "OMG" about what HK-47 can do that any other assassin droid couldn't. Whereas I can go and read up on IG-88 or 4-LOM and I can find a few "WOW" things about what they can do.

 

He has the standard assassin droid skill package, but just does it better through actual combat experience, numerous upgrades, and just better subroutines and protocols in general (IE: Better hardware and software). He was just plain better designed from the get go.

 

One of his only really noteworthy, stand-out skills, though, is being able to fire blaster rounds through the defenses of a Jedi or Sith (something that's still kind of impressive, even for a meatbag; It certainly required a lot of special training and practice, and he did it routinely and casually). That's something that a lot of other assassin droids of the era had some issue with.

 

It really is just a factor of him having a better 'ware setup, though, that was continually upgraded to become better and better. Above and beyond the capability of the HK-50 line (most of which never got beyond the 'factory standard' setting; While they were effective, they weren't really able to compete, as they were mostly only based off of 47's original designs).

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Ya but theres really...like no in depth as to what these upgrades consist of just that they make HK-47 better and better, theres no meat to the burger if you will. I mean with 4-LOM an IG-88(especially IG-88) you can read, and while there might not be too in depth of their abilities. It at least gives somewhat of a description of them, rather then "upgrades, upgrades, upgrades"
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Honestly, there really isn't much info on HK compared to IG-88 and 4LOM, for the fact that those two droids have been around longer then HK has.

 

As far as I know, everyone loves him for his personality and dialogue which are valid reasons.

 

Like I told you, people who proclaim that HK can defeat anyone, is just talking out of their ***, and you should just ignore them.

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Go figure a character that primarily has it's entire history grounded in a video-game setting has less exposition then those that have theirs almost entirely in novels.

 

There's not a lot to go on with HK-47 simply because, as I stated previously, a lot of his are done on-camera. There's a number of things that are still done off-camera that get some explanation of dialogue (killing 322 sentients in a single year while working for Bobcha the Hutt, his primary designation as removal of political figures and anyone else Revan sent him after).

 

The main reason a lot of his 'upgrades' are left ambiguous is partially due to the fact it's hard to say how often HK-47 was in the 'crew' with Revan throughout KotOR (and later the Exile in KotOR2) and the only thing that can be assumed is that he got some level of upgrades (due to the Tabletop RPG system both games used, these are primarily functions of both level-increases and actual equipment like skill-package upgrades, better mobilizers, and other pieces picked up or purchased throughout both games) just by being in the crew.

 

He also spent a lot of time around a number of people (Mission, Bao-Dur, Canderous, T3-M4, Atton, Mira, G0-T0) that were either rather skilled in one area or another, or outright some of the best people, period, in certain fields that he could have gotten upgraded by or gotten further information/etc. from to perform his tasks better (plus whatever Revan or the Exile may have done personally).

 

Again, it still sounds an awful lot like all you're doing is playing goal post roulette. :U

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Why people love HK-47? Get off the fanboy train and really tell me, because after watching and looking at him he doesn't really seem that special. Ok so...he has a cool/sarcastic voice and says the word "meatbag".......is that really all your giving me? People say hes special because he has his own personality....that doesn't make him special.

 

R2-D2

 

C3-PO

 

T3-M4

 

All went without memory wipes and they all developed their own personalities. Hes an assassin droid....that can kill jedi....again thats not really special, killing jedi isn't a special thing anymore. The CIS droids did it, clones did it, bounty hunters did it, its not a special thing anymore. He was built by the sith lord Revan....ok so? 3PO was built by Anakin at the age of 9(or was it 10?) so does that make him the best droid ever? In fact the only thing I find about him that is in detail is his personality, everything else is either non-existent or theres little information.

 

Angered reply: No other droid can turn meatbags such as yourself into plasma as efficiently as HK-47.

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Not trying to, just trying to figure out why some people figure him as the best ever its the same with Boba, Jango, Revan, Kyle, Mandos. I try to wrap my head around it all, but I just don't see it.

 

Part of it is just outright fanboyism. I wouldn't say that HK-47 is the 'omgbestdroidevar', but as far as assassin droids go, he's king of the heap by a moderate margin. IG-88 and 4-LOM could definately compete and would give him a run for his money... but, HK-47 is perfectly fine being less direct and has shown (by proxy and personally through background conversations) to be better at manipulating entire situations to his benefit. Not something that those two excelled at (though they were capable of doing it).

 

Other then that he was very good at his 'assassination' job, it's his personality and the ways he chose to execute his plans that made him so popular. That lead to fanboyism, and fanboys never make good, sound decisions. And often attribute 'god' status to characters that don't really deserve them for the most part, even if they are exceptionally good otherwise (Revan isn't the most powerful being in existance, Boba Fett was one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy but he had stiff competition, and Jango was good but only an average Mandalorian at best, and even the Mandalorians weren't unstoppable monsters).

 

There really isn't much more to it then that.

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There are these things called opinions we form in our minds that cause us to believe things about stuff that other people do not.

 

In the words of Obi-wan Kenobi:

"we spend our entire lives constructing our own personal brand of truth. Then we find it hard to understand that others have a different point of view."

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You cannot judge fan-love for HK-47 by anything that happens in SWTOR, or from his picture & written lore.

 

You have to listen to him tell the story of his life, a little bit at a time, as you repair his memory core in KOTOR. One fiasco after another, delivered with a voice laced with utter loathing for the meatbags who put him through it all. Imagine a C3-P0, who instead of whining about how awful whatever is going on is, quietly plots the demise of all the responsible parties and sounds malevolently gleeful describing how he brought each demise about.

 

You have to use him as a translator with the Sand People, and actually hear him say: ""Translation: He requires proof of good faith. We must make a contribution to his people that shows we are not a threat. Shall I blast him now, master?""

 

The line is awesome enough when read, but the voice actor nails the combination of feigned servility, sarcasm, passionate hope for violence, and pure malevolent intent it so perfectly....

 

Yeah, when it comes to HK-47, I'm a fanboi, too.

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