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It was a jab at his assertion that Bane wouldn't expect treachery and cunning in the Apprentice taking on the Master.

 

On the subject of Sidious though, he WAS the culmination of the Rule of Two. He destroyed the Jedi Order and established a galactic Sith empire. The entire Rule of Two was leading up to him coming to power, once he was in, he could basically do whatever the hell he wanted.

 

killing someone in there sleep isnt really cunning

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It was a jab at his assertion that Bane wouldn't expect treachery and cunning in the Apprentice taking on the Master.

 

On the subject of Sidious though, he WAS the culmination of the Rule of Two. He destroyed the Jedi Order and established a galactic Sith empire. The entire Rule of Two was leading up to him coming to power, once he was in, he could basically do whatever the hell he wanted.

 

1000 years of hiding and he achieved what, 20 years of rule and the extermination of Jedi that lasted for 40 or so years till the order was back up? Great job guys, really.

 

Oh and please, stop deciding who asserts what in your head, it's rather idiotic.

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1000 years of hiding and he achieved what, 20 years of rule and the extermination of Jedi that lasted for 40 or so years till the order was back up? Great job guys, really.

 

I've thought about this ratio before and I agree with you on the terrible quality of that ratio. However Bane created that rule with the idea that the only way to destroy the Republic and Jedi was to become the Republic and destroy it from within. As terrible a ratio as it may be his Order was the only Sith organization up that point to do successfully do those things. Consider even the Sith Empire in SWTOR. This Empire laid hidden for 1300 years, won a 30 year war (with the resulting territorial gain being nothing compared to the Galactic Empire), and all current signs point to a decline in their power. Plus they never exterminated the Jedi nowhere near the level of Sid's time. Even this Sith Empire created puppet gov'ts in the Republic and infiltrated key positions then turned. Similar idea to what Bane's Order did as well.

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The point of fighting his master in combat is to prove that he is stronger,otherwise the whole idea goes to hell.Killing him in his sleep doesn't prove he is stronger,as an apprentice should be when he kills his master.

 

The sheer ability to kill your master is what makes a pupil ready, not just being stronger.

 

Bane obviously realized that brute force isn't enough, and that to be a strong sith you need Intelligence, wisdom and cunning. If your master is stupid enough to get Pissed and let you kill him, then so be it :D

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I've thought about this ratio before and I agree with you on the terrible quality of that ratio. However Bane created that rule with the idea that the only way to destroy the Republic and Jedi was to become the Republic and destroy it from within. As terrible a ratio as it may be his Order was the only Sith organization up that point to do successfully do those things. Consider even the Sith Empire in SWTOR. This Empire laid hidden for 1300 years, won a 30 year war (with the resulting territorial gain being nothing compared to the Galactic Empire), and all current signs point to a decline in their power. Plus they never exterminated the Jedi nowhere near the level of Sid's time. Even this Sith Empire created puppet gov'ts in the Republic and infiltrated key positions then turned. Similar idea to what Bane's Order did as well.

 

Oh I agree and I didn't mean to imply that it was a complete failure. I just find it incredibly... funny for some reason.

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1000 years of hiding and he achieved what, 20 years of rule and the extermination of Jedi that lasted for 40 or so years till the order was back up? Great job guys, really.

 

Oh and please, stop deciding who asserts what in your head, it's rather idiotic.

 

The Banite Sith utterly destroyed an order of super human peace keepers that had existed for over twenty THOUSAND years. The destruction of the Jedi was so complete that by the time Luke had come into his own, only the Rebel Alliance, their allies and a few fringe elements didn't believe that the Jedi were treacherous insurgents waiting to overthrow the Republic and take their freedom away. Sidious did more than just kill the Jedi, he destroyed everything they stood for and corrupted it to fit his own ends. It's much more impressive when you lay it all out on the table.

 

Now, are we talking Pre-Karpshyn Bane or Post-Karpshyn Bane? Because Pre-Drew Bane was an evil mastermind of epic proportions, Post-Drew Bane had a little Mr. Magoo in his personality.

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The Banite Sith utterly destroyed an order of super human peace keepers that had existed for over twenty THOUSAND years. The destruction of the Jedi was so complete that by the time Luke had come into his own, only the Rebel Alliance, their allies and a few fringe elements didn't believe that the Jedi were treacherous insurgents waiting to overthrow the Republic and take their freedom away. Sidious did more than just kill the Jedi, he destroyed everything they stood for and corrupted it to fit his own ends. It's much more impressive when you lay it all out on the table.

 

Now, are we talking Pre-Karpshyn Bane or Post-Karpshyn Bane? Because Pre-Drew Bane was an evil mastermind of epic proportions, Post-Drew Bane had a little Mr. Magoo in his personality.

 

Hehehe...Mr. Magoo. :p

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The idea was that the Sith would hide until they took their revenge on the Jedi, hence "Revenge of the Sith". The Rule of Two was in place to keep the Sith order intact and, ideally, gaining strength until this could happen. Palpatine did bring them back into power, even if he was egotistical and power hungry, so the Rule didn't have to continue any longer.
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The Banite Sith utterly destroyed an order of super human peace keepers that had existed for over twenty THOUSAND years. The destruction of the Jedi was so complete that by the time Luke had come into his own, only the Rebel Alliance, their allies and a few fringe elements didn't believe that the Jedi were treacherous insurgents waiting to overthrow the Republic and take their freedom away. Sidious did more than just kill the Jedi, he destroyed everything they stood for and corrupted it to fit his own ends. It's much more impressive when you lay it all out on the table.

 

Now, are we talking Pre-Karpshyn Bane or Post-Karpshyn Bane? Because Pre-Drew Bane was an evil mastermind of epic proportions, Post-Drew Bane had a little Mr. Magoo in his personality.

 

None of this negates the fact that it was a complete waste of effort. Their master plan of the rule of two changed nothing in the long run. Well, except indirectly free Abeloth.

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