@Chaqen: In order to practice the fights while we're waiting for 16 people to log on we break down into an 8 man group. During the hour and a half of practice time, we killed toth and zorn twice with one group, and two more times with 6 different people swapped in. (Then /stuck on the handler)
Toth and zorn on 8 man hit like flowers, comparatively. Then, on 16 NiM, Firebrand and Stormcaller make Toth and Zorn's damage almost negligible.
My guild has proven that 8 man is much easier.
@Donalj: We run 16 man because we can clear 8 man with ease. No, Messores Republicae would probably not be world first in 8 man, but 8 man is not enough of a challenge.
We do not care about epeen. We just want to be able to chew on something. 16 man NiM EC is the challenge that HARDCORE raiders, the ones that hoped this game would be better than WoW, want and crave so badly! We will stay in 16 man. This is where the top raiders belong. Screw gear, we want challenges.
My thoughts exactly.
We've felt 8 man Ops were harder than 16 man at first, considering that DPS was more forgiving in a 16 man environment. But to our surprise, 16 man despite the the amount of DPS, mechanics were the key factor along with the amount of organization it requires for a 16 man Operation. Just because your 8 man OPs group downs something without any real hitch, doesn't mean that a 16 man will be a breeze. We felt this as well until we ventured into the 16 man Operations and found that it wasn't a walk in the park as we thought it would be.
Yes, most groups can't field a 16 man Operation, so please don't knock the groups who can. We push ourselves to the limits with the new Mechanics of the NiM Denova and so far we love the challenge. We just hope others venture into the scene and realize what we've come to love. A Challenge and a well organized group of people to achieve a goal such as this. But I will say, after hours of busting our heads against the wall in our 16 man OPs and then switching to a 8 man OPs, it truly was a night and day feel. The 8 man was much easier to accomplish what we wanted, and that was to learn the mechanics and memorize them, so when we went back to our 16 man we were able to find the different things we needed to do as a 16 man Ops in order to adapt our group to the fight and complete the challenge we had in front of us.
Good luck in your Ops and hope to see you in the charts!