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  1. Indeed? You're the one who needs to be corrected here: Vitiate's cons: 1.Vitiate had expended 'great' energy in his failed ritual. 2.Vitiate had allowed the death of his Voss Mystic to take place beforehand, losing power. Vitiate's pros: 1.Vitiate had the energies of an extremely potent focal point of Dark Side energy. 2.Vitiate according to Lord Scourge was growing more powerful with every passing moment. Hero's cons: 1.Hero fought through an army of Imperial Guardsmen, which Darth Nyriss can't defeat, only after an army of Sith. 2.Vitiate himself noted that the Hero had expended energy saving their allies, to which there was consequences. 3.Hero of Tython was of course fighting on an extremely potent Dark Side nexus the entire time. Hero's pro(s): 1.He is the only known living person besides Revan who can withstand Vitiate's mind domination. What Hero achieved was incredible, unprecedented and prophesied. Do not attempt to handwave this as nothing special. Whilst I was chronologically incorrect, you could perhaps take your own time to acknowledge my statement that at points she could withstand his power, not repeatedly. I am referring to S6/ROTS Anakin here, not pre-prime. :Hmm:
  2. Are we going to take Vitiate's Ziost feats into account? If so I am wondering how Exar Kun's disembodied feats can be placed.
  3. I already posted that, what you ignored is the fact that Kyp whilst using said focal point was still described as feeble in comparison to once Kun reinforced him, expanding his comparatively minor sense to feeling as if he was a part of the entire solar system. The temples served to anchor him there so as to withstand the wall of light that obliterated the surface, if he could use the temples he'd have been far more potent.
  4. Whilst I will concede on the majority of that, it is important to consider two things: 1.Kun's human body was shattered and then restored and imbued with Dark Side energy by Freedon Nadd, something stated to have made him a purely dark Force user, not capable of redemption. Presumably his new body would be the same. 2.Exar Kun is not a spirit and does not share the attributes of spirits like Nadd, he is much closer to the likes of Vitiate, another disembodied will. Noting that Kun ascended, he did not die.
  5. I could drown this in arguments of my own but I don't fancy winning against someone who isn't even here to defend against me.
  6. His strength was clearly temporary:: The power he had was stated to be borrowed and dissipated whenever he became overtly active. Very powerful does not equate to full strength, you are making a leap in judgement, Kun is only at full power in his body and failed to bring his full might to bear in his appearances: Kun was augmenting Kyp, not the other way around: You are missing a massively important piece of the picture here, Kun was more powerful but had no reserves of energy to project it, all his energy he gained from Kyp, Gantoris or Streen: Furthermore, it's clearly stated he needs a nucleus of followers to gain his full strength and live again: If that was not the case he would have simply done so whilst he had Streen, Gantoris and Kyp under his influence. Because Kun feeds on other's negative energies to project his will, because he has no reserves of his own energy/power left: Read the above. Kyp would be irrelevant once Kun was alive again and his powers would be far greater: Fortunately convincing you solely is irrelevant when any four people and an arbiter is all that is required.
  7. @Beni Firstly, it nowhere states Kun returned to full power there that's an assumption on your part that doesn't stand up to the other statements made. Kyp's hate made Kun temporarily very powerful, yet Kun in life is described as an extremely powerful figure. Yet Kyp himself is 'feeble' compared to Kun and even his power combined with Gantoris' only returned some of Kun's power. Furthermore it isn't so much as what Kun did there, it's the fact that we know outright Kun was stronger in life than he ever was as a disimbodied will. Corran states he has no idea how powerful Kun really was, Luke agrees and calls Kun a very powerful focal point of the Dark Side alongside Palpatine. Kun in a weaker state stomped Master Luke, at full power he'd do so even easier, his full power and lost reserves of energy would only return by becoming alive again. Regardless seems we have 3 votes for Exar Kun so far unless I missed someone.
  8. So here is my final Kun related argument and it's regarding the JAT, we all know Kun was a disembodied will in this series, however the argument is made that Kun is more powerful and/or is advantaged by his state, this is flatly incorrect and contradictory to the Jedi Academy Sourcebook. Allow me to ellaborate: Exar Kun, contrary to his taunts was sleeping for the four thousand years he remained on Yavin IV? He was not learning techniques as some suggest: He was only awakened by the presence of powerful Force Users: On that point, Kun seeks to restore his living self and regain his lost reserves: Keeping in mind that as stated above all twelve students combined could restore his life and power: The suggestion has been made that Kyp Durron significantly empowered Exar Kun, this is not true as his powers are 'feeble' by comparison: Furthermore Kun augments Kyp's power over weeks, but also maintaining a mind control over him: Infact, Corran Horn accredits Kun with all of the power exoended to summon the Suncrusher and render Luke lifeless: All of his power are capable by using the emotions and energy reserves of the students that he controlled: Remember, as stated above that to restore his life and lost power he needed the power of all twelve students, meaning he was never as powerful as he was in life: Corran Horn echoes that he had no idea how powerful Exar Kun could be despite being personally attacked by him: Kun even claims that his powers are on level with divinity and if Corran accepted his offer he would gain powers of divinity himself: Everything Kyp had done in his journey of the Dark Side was through Exar Kun: Despite the fact Exar Kun only had the power of Kyp Durron's hate to call on he was able to defeat Jedi Master Luke Skywalker shortly after demonstrating massive sense and telekinetic proficiency: Remembering that Exar Kun in life was far more powerful than he was here where he could only channel his powers through Kyp and as shown above repeatedly is accredited with defeating Luke Skywalker through his own power. So for Kun to only be able to command some of his powers through them and still defeat Master Luke Skywalker regardless. That is alone evidence of being more powerful than Darth Vader whom Luke had surpassed already. If not, there is yet more, Luke Skywalker states that Kyp could become even worse than Darth Vader if he'd turned to evil, power Kun had already given him: Kun's apprentice Ulic Qel-Droma was also very powerful, taking not that he's one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history: Ulic coincidentally is a prefiguration of the Luke Skywalker that Tom Vietch wrote, that being Dark Empire: Hopefully Kun's obviously massive Dark Side strength, far stronger than even Master Luke as of JAT can match, is respected here.
  9. 1.Sate Pestage was the one who laid the seeds for it's recovery so a weak Palpatine could restore his power quickly, the amulet was the item in question. 2.Because Trioculus couldn't discern how to use it.
  10. Except numerous sources including guides have referenced it, not to mention that the stated effects of the glove are very profound in nature, amping Sidious significantly is an example of it's extreme properties. If Kun's amulet, the effects of which are obscure in their own right, is enough to warrant outright dismissing his case for a place at no.9 as you have seen fit to do. Then Vader's own amulet must be accounted for or we are looking at a selective application of the rules.
  11. So we're dismissing that Vader has an amulet himself, something stated in numerous old and relatively new sources, but when it comes to Exar Kun we're dismissing all his alter feats as amplified because he has exactly the same thing?
  12. Hm.. Leadership: Head-of-State: Darth Vader Second-in-Command: Inquisitor Jerec Ally: Director Isard Ally: Cipher Nine ------------ Support: Supplier: Kuat Drive Yards Intelligence: Inquisitorious ------------ Military: Army: Minor Force: Imperial Shadow Guards Minor Force: Shadow Stormtrooper Minor Force: Clone Commandos Light Vehicle: HK-51 Assassin Droid Light Vehicle: Dark Trooper Phase III Heavy Vehicle: --------------- Navy: Fighter: TIE D/Defender Bomber: Missile Boat Elite: Shadow Droid Light Ship: Modular Taskforce Cruiser Light Ship: Imperial-Class Frigate Capital Ship: Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer Flagship: Megador Star Dreadnought ---------------- Empire: Capital: Byss Fortress World: Prakith Fortress World: Kuat Organization World: Imperial Center
  13. Took me awhile but I have found what I was looking for: As Exar Kun had his amulet, Darth Vader also had his own, the amulet of Lord Kaan placed inside the Mandalorian CrushGuantlet in Vader's right glove: "No greater symbol of darkness was ever made than this glove -- the gauntlet that once covered Darth Vader’s right hand." - Kadann Noting that it gave Azrakel so much power he could easily slaughter the Prophets of the Dark Side because of it. More impressively it would have partially restored the powers of reborn Darth Sidious.
  14. Hero of Tython defeated the Voice of the Emperor, the same Voice that stomped the Jedi strike team with 'incalculable powers of corruption. Whilst the Voice had suffered from weaknesses in this engagement, he also had the immensely potent Dark Temple to fuel him, whereas the HoT had expended their energies fighting through an elite army of Sith/Imperial Guards and saving their allies. Also consider that the Hero had to weather the extreme Dark Side environment, which would have effected them strongly. The Wrath killed a Sel Makor possessed Voss host of Vitiate, whom dropped any defensive and wanted the Wrath to kill his body so he could escape. Hardly the same thing. The Wrath was bullrushed through training on Korriban so as to compete as Darth Baras' apprentice, the Wrath would hardly have been afforded the time to become an expert in Korriban's catacombs, somewhere they went through all of once. Darth Jadus' backstory is completely unknown but him being trained on Dromund Kaas just as Darth Malgus had been before the Galactic War is highly likely. The Hero coincidentally would have engaged here during the sham invasion of Korriban, preceding the Coalition war against Revan. Anakin Skywalker also ventured to Korriban in the Clone Wars. All of this is pretty redundant though, one time experiences aren't going to afford a significant advantage here.
  15. Clearly you've read nothing regarding 4.0 nor recognised that as of 3.0 Shadow of Revan he isn't considered the Sith Emperor anymore and goes so far as to state that the very ideals of the Sith are below him. He is clearly not a Sith anymore, your issue with that is ecactly that, your issue not mine. In 4.0: What you don't get is that SWTOR isn't legends or canon and abides by none of the rules of the old EU, if BioWare decides he's an immortal Force god then that is what he is.
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