Yet the Knight owns up to his actions by stopping Angral and by saving everyone he possibly can. Angral attacks innocent unrelated civilians simply because they don't belong to the empire and because restarting the war is the imps main objective. So is the Knight really responsible for this out come no and it is not a matter of the knights righteousness vs Angral's pov that he is the righteous one it a matter of one side using a result that they had to expect on some level to try and lay blame at the feet of other for their actions. Think about Quesh's planet story for a minute the Moff in charge has one goal to cause the Republic to restart the war, if you play the republic side tries to accomplish this by attempting to goad you into killing him (the same thing Tarnis did (though you don't have to kill him in this case where as a player you weren't given the option to not kill Tarnis)) all so the empire can lay the blame for the war restarting at the feet of the republic. My point being if you set the death or capture (Angral had to account for either possibility in his plan) of your son for the sake of restarting a war, then you have just absolved the person that kills or captures your son of any responsibility for your actions. The knight then only remains responsible for the life he took not the lives Angral takes.

Which then is the bigger loss to the Empire the Emperor or the Children? Since the loss of the Children is the main accomplishment of the Consular. I do agree that the Consular is above the SI. Since the Smuggler has a chance to order the destruction of most of the imperial fleet one could argue the Smuggler has just as much to do with the empires current woes as the consular.

My smuggler gave up much of her power be committing her fleet to the aid of the Republic, though that did not mean once the war is over she couldn't use them in a differ way. Strange there is that world again ambiguous, sorry but I fail to see how the knight's accomplishments are ambiguous when others are not. maybe Lacking would be a better word for what I understand of your opinion, since you seem to believe but not exactly prove that Angral simply wanted to conquer the republic and because the Knight fails to be everywhere at once an thus loses a planet. we can continue to around and around with this but unless you can justify Angral going after everyone but the Knight, I'm afraid that from my point of view he will remain nothing but some one who uses his sons death as a justification for his actions and the Knight will remain the greatest and most powerful hero I have played and will remain blameless for Angral's actions because Anrgal's actions and choices are his, something Angral would probably agree with. Also remember most of the empire was not in favor of the treaty, since they wanted to level Corusant much like they did Taris and they spend most of chapter two trying to restart the war.

Except that the Republic built the world prison to hold a planet hostage and force it to surrender, Angral even before the Knights interference was already planning to turn it into a weapon of mass destruction. But lets look at your feeling that Angral is somehow a victim because the Knight kills his son and it this that somehow turns him form simply and evil conqueror in to a genocidal madman. Lets not forget that the and while most of the empire is unaware of this their are some who know and agree with this path. The fact that Angral rather than coming after the Knight directly Angral simply implements the genocidal plan they already in place says to me that his sons death was merely an excuse not the cause. Oh yes and if you play through the imp side you find that they want a war were they obliterate the Republic not force it to surrender.

I would see an increase in the Hunter's influence over the Mandolorians but I not sure this would do anything for the Hunters influence any ware else because even the current Mandolore seem to be thought of as little more than a hired gun by the empire. Though if I had continued my ranks I would have had the BH after the SW because My BH was the baddest stack of to ever take up the profession. The Knight is definitely my favorite character and I could see him thinking there might have been away to stop Angral before the attack on Uphrades. But I cannot see my knight blaming himself for Angral reactions to my stomping his son, because as we've both said Angral states that there are always choices (even if he is trying to mock the Jedi code) and he chooses the path of attacking the Republic rather personal vengeance. He even tells the SIth on Tat to destroy the code to the doomsday devices which would have destroyed the planet. To me the death of his son was no more than an excuse to commit the atrocities that he already had planned and any impediment or upsetting of his sons plans would have set him off.

Worst Case no worst case would be if the Knight failed to arrive in time to save Tython, not a world he had no knowledge was in danger and one that was attacked while the Knight was busy saving Alderaan. Don't worry about the rest I simply used it as current example, not to darken the mood. My main point in all of this is to hold the Knight up as failure, he would have had to have known the full details about the enemies plans or been part of the projects that made the super weapons in the first place not simply be the guy that gave Angral an excuse do commit the evil acts he so desired to do. As you said he also had a choice he could have come after the Knight directly instead of attacking the republic as a whole. I have enjoyed this convo myself thanks.

Sorry but I was responding to the use of real cities and real scenarios presented by other posters. Angral is a Sith so imprisoning his son would have driven him into a fury and cause him to unleash ruin unto the Republic. After all Sith are crazy sadistic SOBs anyway. so 1+1 = Angral is F***ed in the head and would have done it anyway eventually.

The Knight's accomplishments 1 Uncovers a massive infiltration of the republics weapons division and stops several "commandeered" super weapons. 2 Stops several genocide attempts by the dominated Jedi strike team and saves the other members of the strike team from domination. 3 Defeats the emperor (voice or original body) and causes him to be out of commission for an as yet unspecified period of time. sorry I don't see the ambiguity.

So by that reasoning Boston has no reason to celebrate the capture of the recent bomber because he already succeeded, whether or not they had more planed Right? To say that because the JK killed Angral's son and enraged him thus he must bear some of the responsibility for the attack is ridiculous that's like saying some who just happened to stop a madman and thus set off another madman who was related to the first madman is at fault for the second madman. Also don't forget the knight starts out trying to rescue angral son and only kills him when left know other choice. It is not a hollow victory because the knight who has to unravel the plan step by step and has no intel to warn him about Uphrades until it is to late, and still the knight ensures it does not happen again.

True Kira resist when she is halfway across the galaxy, but I am talking in the emperors presence something the game itself establishes . As for your second question if any of the came after years of planning by the enemy and you came in to the picture just before any of these attacks were to take place and you had to clear 5 or 6 other attacks, all of which you do stop then no it would not be a colossal screw up as long as you stop it from happening again. All of which you do in the game. If anything were to be a colossal screw up it would be that with all the advantages Angral has he still fails to destroy more than one small planet, More in lines of a test run like Omaha, Denver, Yorkshire, or Shanghai.

1 JK - only person capable of resisting the emperor's mind control. Comes in to a game of catch up when the enemy is about ten years ahead and only loses one planet, this is not a screw up as some have implied nor a well that is the best we can expect result. Face it before any of the others would have even come close Tython and the Jedi would have been toast or if you reverse the plot for the imps Kaas and the council would have been toast. The rest falls under the first part of my opinion he is the only one who could defeat the emperor regardless of body. 2 Consular - Capable of shielding the Jedi against control of others and still being a bad*** in the force. Creates an army that crushes the imps and the children at every turn. 3 Inquisitor - Gains power by binding ghost and becomes a member of the council. 4 SW - Beats a pretender to the throne and becomes the Wrath after the previous one betrays the empire.

If you manage to stand against 77 and get him about half way down he runs from you. Something I only managed to accomplish with NPC trooper help on Hoth.

This is why I said the novel be dammed, Nowhere in the game's cannon does anyone or any entry that I have come across say anything thing about Vitiate being a Sith pure blood. Bioware probably paid no attention to the EU cannon established race for him thus allowing them room to have the Knight kill the emperor's real body and yet have him survive as a energy mass ala Sel Makor and only be out of commission for a period of time while gaining control of that form.

I agree with most of what you are thinking, after playing the JK story came away from Voss thinking that Sel Makor had taught the Emperor how to become a living mass of energy within the Force much like Sel Makor is. So when the knight kills what I believed to be the Emperor's real body (the Revan Novel be dammed) the disappearance of his body was him transforming in to such a mass of energy. Thus paving the way for the hand to tell the SW that the Emperor is alive and in a new voice recovering. This also means a sacrifice of the Knight or the Consular will be necessary to destroy the Emperor for good.

I stared my BH with the intent of playing almost neutral character, as I progressed however I found that my choices were consistently more and more LS due to two things. One I was not a homicidal machine and Two I felt LS choices allowed me to act more as an independent contractor rather than an imperial lackey.