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What an Ace is - and what an Ace is NOT

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What an Ace is - and what an Ace is NOT

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Renora
04.20.2014 , 11:37 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Sidenti View Post
I dunno about one-ship pilots. They're not very scary outside of their comfort zone for the most part. That's why I don't consider them "true" Aces personally. Suppose the parameters change again and their chosen ship type gets nerfed to the point that they're no longer as effective?

At that point, it's the ship doing the work and not the pilot in my view. And that's no Ace. -bp
If the parameters change and they no longer dominate on that ship, then yes, they are not an ace at that point. But until that point in time, if they are consistently topping the scoreboards in TDM or turning the tides consistently in Domination, then they deserve the Ace title in my opinion. When I see the same pilots getting high kills and medal counts over and over, they are Aces in my book.

I don't really keep track of whether an Ace pilot sucks on another ship type. Maybe you play a lot more or watch the scoreboard more which allows you to do this. Until Bioware makes this data easier to see, we probably won't agree on a single definition.

Maybe it's safer to say that Pilot X is an Ace Gunship pilot while Pilot Y is an Overall Ace, or something like that.
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SammyGStatus
04.20.2014 , 11:40 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Sidenti View Post
I dunno about one-ship pilots. They're not very scary outside of their comfort zone for the most part. That's why I don't consider them "true" Aces personally. Suppose the parameters change again and their chosen ship type gets nerfed to the point that they're no longer as effective?

At that point, it's the ship doing the work and not the pilot in my view. And that's no Ace. -bp
If you fly on multiple characters, but each of those characters only uses one ship, do you not consider that person an ace (assuming you know that it's the same person)? For RP purposes, I could see this occuring a lot
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Sidenti
04.20.2014 , 11:41 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Renora View Post
If the parameters change and they no longer dominate on that ship, then yes, they are not an ace at that point. But until that point in time, if they are consistently topping the scoreboards in TDM or turning the tides consistently in Domination, then they deserve the Ace title in my opinion. When I see the same pilots getting high kills and medal counts over and over, they are Aces in my book.

I don't really keep track of whether an Ace pilot sucks on another ship type. Maybe you play a lot more or watch the scoreboard more which allows you to do this. Until Bioware makes this data easier to see, we probably won't agree on a single definition.

Maybe it's safer to say that Pilot X is an Ace Gunship pilot while Pilot Y is an Overall Ace, or something like that.
We'll have to agree to disagree, then - if they're good enough, they'll be covered by the first bullet point in my view anyway.

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Sidenti
04.20.2014 , 11:44 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by SammyGStatus View Post
If you fly on multiple characters, but each of those characters only uses one ship, do you not consider that person an ace (assuming you know that it's the same person)? For RP purposes, I could see this occuring a lot
EXCELLENT point. Me personally? I only consider the PERSON behind the character an Ace. Not the character itself.

Shayd and Callem are the names of two excellent Imperial pilot characters. They are flown by the same person. That person is an Ace. That title is shared by Shayd and Callem both by association, but only because one flies as both.

(Strangely enough, I flew as multiple handles but only one was considered "Ace" - a distinction I still reject. That character has, by FAR, the worst stats of all of them! HA!)

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Armonddd
04.20.2014 , 11:52 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Sidenti View Post
I dunno about one-ship pilots. They're not very scary outside of their comfort zone for the most part. That's why I don't consider them "true" Aces personally. Suppose the parameters change again and their chosen ship type gets nerfed to the point that they're no longer as effective?

At that point, it's the ship doing the work and not the pilot in my view. And that's no Ace. -bp
That's bull and you know it. When I have I not turned a game in my Flash? I'm consistently top of the leaderboards and have over a 70% win rate with over 10.3 kills per match and a KDR of 4.0+; am I not an ace?

If the Flashfire were suddenly nerfed to the ground -- let's say BLCs suddenly do 400 damage every shot with accuracy of 70% (both regardless of range) and rate of fire reduced to 40 RPMS, and Distortion Field now reduces your shield capacity by 60% -- I would be floundering, yes. I would not take the hit as well as a pilot of any other class would. But so would everyone else. That kind of a major change would disrupt the entire playerbase, and at that point any notion of ace piloting goes out the window as the game goes through a massive overhaul. At that point, an ace is whoever can rise from the ashes and secure a new name for themselves.

I really don't know where people get this notion that a good player has to fly ships he doesn't necessarily enjoy in order to be considered a good player. In the ground game, do we say someone deserves their rancor only if they have 55s of at least three classes? Do we pretend their contribution as a healer is any less valuable because they choose not to tank? Do world first guilds -- in any game -- expect their players to be as good on their alts as their mains? No, none of the above -- and so we should just stop pretending that specialization is at all inferior to diversification.
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-Streven-
04.20.2014 , 12:04 PM | #16
Arguing about what an ace is or is not is silly.
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Sidenti
04.20.2014 , 12:05 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Armonddd View Post
That's bull and you know it. When I have I not turned a game in my Flash? I'm consistently top of the leaderboards and have over a 70% win rate with over 10.3 kills per match and a KDR of 4.0+; am I not an ace?

If the Flashfire were suddenly nerfed to the ground -- let's say BLCs suddenly do 400 damage every shot with accuracy of 70% (both regardless of range) and rate of fire reduced to 40 RPMS, and Distortion Field now reduces your shield capacity by 60% -- I would be floundering, yes. I would not take the hit as well as a pilot of any other class would. But so would everyone else. That kind of a major change would disrupt the entire playerbase, and at that point any notion of ace piloting goes out the window as the game goes through a massive overhaul. At that point, an ace is whoever can rise from the ashes and secure a new name for themselves.

I really don't know where people get this notion that a good player has to fly ships he doesn't necessarily enjoy in order to be considered a good player. In the ground game, do we say someone deserves their rancor only if they have 55s of at least three classes? Do we pretend their contribution as a healer is any less valuable because they choose not to tank? Do world first guilds -- in any game -- expect their players to be as good on their alts as their mains? No, none of the above -- and so we should just stop pretending that specialization is at all inferior to diversification.
Look, I get that you have a problem with my viewpoint. I GET that. But if this is how it's gonna be then you and I no longer need to converse.

Quit taking life so personally, homey. It's never a pleasant experience. Take care of yourself. All the best. -bp

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Sidenti
04.20.2014 , 12:07 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by -Streven- View Post
Arguing about what an ace is or is not is silly.
Arguing about most things can be defined as "silly". But apparently, society needs definitions and tiers. Otherwise, we'd never even consider calling anyone an Ace at all, right?

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Slivovidze
04.20.2014 , 12:08 PM | #19
It doesn't matter if they only fly one ship. As long as they bring their team to victories, they are aces.

Baddies aren't good enough with their Stings to be called aces by numerous players. If Stings were nerfed (or rather, put more in balance) though, I'm quite sure that Sting aces would still be aces. Only baddies would suffer.

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Armonddd
04.20.2014 , 12:10 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Sidenti View Post
Look, I get that you have a problem with my viewpoint. I GET that. But if this is how it's gonna be then you and I no longer need to converse.
This isn't, and has never been, about you. It's a viewpoint I've seen pop up on the forums and in various conversations multiple times, and I've always found it full of fallacies.

I didn't intend to be offensive, and if I was, I apologize. I hope you'll see my posts for what they are -- critique of ideas I find in need of correction -- and not as personal attacks.
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