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Lower the healing received bonus from expertise.

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Lower the healing received bonus from expertise.

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sanchito
03.29.2014 , 01:55 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by NathanielStarr View Post
Healing is much higher than dps making a healer worth more than 1 dps player. That shouldn't be the case. Skill should be what makes a player worth more not class, but with the expertise system I think they could make some easy adjustments.

Lets discuss a change to how valor boosts healing. I personally think it doesn't need to boost healing at all and maybe bring dps up a bit or even lower the dps reduction from expertise?
you can't balance healing with expertise, if you lower the healing bonus from expertise raid gear will be bis for healers. You would have to use the trauma debuff.

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03.29.2014 , 02:07 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by HandOfKane View Post
Right, because yelling "L2P!!!" is so much more convincing that a post with actual facts and evidence.
What facts do you want, screenshots with healers taking double digit deaths, or perhaps combat logs, or maybe even statements from multiple other pvpers who have no issue killing healers?

The facts are there, just zone into a WZ and look at the scoreboard at the end of a match... 1 person might break 1k dps, most struggle to do 200k damage and come out with DPS in the very very low triple digits... now flip it and watch what happens when you have a group of 3-4 (or god forbid 5-6) dps who are hitting 1-1.5k dps and compare the difference, healer smelt under this kind of dps, and 1k dps is not even that big of a deal anymore.

Honestly, how can people play match after match and watch another dps do between 1 - 2 million damage while they are struggling to break 200-300k and not realize that they are doing something wrong?

Press buttons, understand how your skills synergize and what order you should use them in, HIT THE SAME PERSON that the other person on your team is hitting... really basic concepts that would cure 99% of the complaints on this forum.

P.S. if you read the OP's other post it becomes clear that healing is not the issue, it is the lack of proper matchmaking putting teams with zero healers against teams with multiple healers, breaking healing does not solve this.

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NotAnyOldName
03.29.2014 , 05:57 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by alexsamma View Post
The facts are there, just zone into a WZ and look at the scoreboard at the end of a match... 1 person might break 1k dps, most struggle to do 200k damage and come out with DPS in the very very low triple digits... now flip it and watch what happens when you have a group of 3-4 (or god forbid 5-6) dps who are hitting 1-1.5k dps and compare the difference, healer smelt under this kind of dps, and 1k dps is not even that big of a deal anymore.

Honestly, how can people play match after match and watch another dps do between 1 - 2 million damage while they are struggling to break 200-300k and not realize that they are doing something wrong?

Press buttons, understand how your skills synergize and what order you should use them in, HIT THE SAME PERSON that the other person on your team is hitting... really basic concepts that would cure 99% of the complaints on this forum.
Quoted for truth. Anyone who complains about healers is nothing more then a baddie DPS player. Playing against teams with that kind of DPS is impossible to outheal even if you are the best healer in the world. Heals are in a decent place right now.

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03.29.2014 , 06:05 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by alexsamma View Post
What facts do you want, screenshots with healers taking double digit deaths, or perhaps combat logs, or maybe even statements from multiple other pvpers who have no issue killing healers?

The facts are there, just zone into a WZ and look at the scoreboard at the end of a match... 1 person might break 1k dps, most struggle to do 200k damage and come out with DPS in the very very low triple digits... now flip it and watch what happens when you have a group of 3-4 (or god forbid 5-6) dps who are hitting 1-1.5k dps and compare the difference, healer smelt under this kind of dps, and 1k dps is not even that big of a deal anymore.

Honestly, how can people play match after match and watch another dps do between 1 - 2 million damage while they are struggling to break 200-300k and not realize that they are doing something wrong?

Press buttons, understand how your skills synergize and what order you should use them in, HIT THE SAME PERSON that the other person on your team is hitting... really basic concepts that would cure 99% of the complaints on this forum.

P.S. if you read the OP's other post it becomes clear that healing is not the issue, it is the lack of proper matchmaking putting teams with zero healers against teams with multiple healers, breaking healing does not solve this.
+ 1 million.
Healing is fine in this game. If the healer is good, unguarded Put 1 good dps on them, they can stay alive sure but they will be more focused on healing themselves if a good dmg dealer is constantly sitting on them, so they aren't doing much healing on the team (maybe a hot or 2 if scoundrel) put 2 good dps on them they will go down unless they get the hell out of there.. away from healing the team.
Adding a guard obviously makes things more difficult for the dps but thats the job of a tank in pvp..

The healing is "OP" issue comes from guys seeing 3 bad dps sitting on a healer who can tank there dmg because they do not know how to play there class.. plain and simple. I have done a fair bit of both deeps and healing in pvp so i am speaking from personal experience here..
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03.29.2014 , 06:20 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by NathanielStarr View Post
Healing is much higher than dps making a healer worth more than 1 dps player. That shouldn't be the case. Skill should be what makes a player worth more not class, but with the expertise system I think they could make some easy adjustments.

Lets discuss a change to how valor boosts healing. I personally think it doesn't need to boost healing at all and maybe bring dps up a bit or even lower the dps reduction from expertise?
Are you serious? If a healer can't outheal 1 dps than the whole class is useless.
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03.29.2014 , 07:02 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by sanchito View Post
you can't balance healing with expertise, if you lower the healing bonus from expertise raid gear will be bis for healers. You would have to use the trauma debuff.
Those are both exactly the same thing in the context you're talking about.

EDIT Read OP's name. Move along folks, it ain't worth it.
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03.29.2014 , 12:16 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainApop View Post
Those are both exactly the same thing in the context you're talking about.

EDIT Read OP's name. Move along folks, it ain't worth it.
it's not the same because 78 level gets only like 1000 expertise from bolster, so it would be hit a lot less hard from a healing bonus nerf than 2008 expertise gear. The trauma debuff in warzones is universal no matter the gear. And for healers it's already pretty close with high level pve gear. Pvp gear is better but only by very little.

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Natharon
03.29.2014 , 01:50 PM | #18
This has to be a troll post, no one could be so horrible at dpsing that they think it makes more sense to have expertise give no impact to healing.
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03.29.2014 , 02:02 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Devilk View Post
If you think DPS are only supposed to kill stuff you have been playing wrong. Try peeling for other players instead of mindlessly hitting things.
This. Keep aggro off of your healers. Everyone wants heals in pvp, yet so few people actually protect healers. I love nothing more than sitting there healing through aggro thinking, "Gee, well I'll just wait for my team to come and back me up" only to have them run by and die a short time later.

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anwg
03.29.2014 , 07:59 PM | #20
Healing is only much higher than DPS if your DPS suck.