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[petition] Stop thinking you know how long it will take to code something

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[petition] Stop thinking you know how long it will take to code something

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Joesixxpack
03.28.2014 , 10:01 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Carter_Mathis View Post
No, consumer are able to ask for what they want. However, they are not able to throw a fit and pretend their requests are as simple as they have deluded themselves to believe. At that point, they have an unjustified anger spawned from ignorance.
Also unjustified are the ridiculous posts filling threads like this, pretending that day-to-day programming realities matter more than they really do. It's people tiers higher up the food chain than the worker bees choosing what to invest in, or in the case of PVP here, not to. That's where gripes often point but butthurt "I dev IRL" types feel the need to put themselves in the middle.

I understand, programmers need to feel important and appreciated often. So

/pet

/banana

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Ottoattack
03.28.2014 , 10:15 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by KamujinKravshera View Post
Your semester of Java doesn't make you an elite programmer.

Real world development work involves more steps than amateurs often realize.

Feel free to continue to complain about the low quality of the software, just stop pretending you know how long anything takes. You don't.
I do not know the details of programming, but I can assure you a) it does not take 2.5 years to get it done b) no plans means they are not and do not plan to work on it. So when we they spent good chunk of last year and beginning of this year on a mini game (GSF) and the plan this year is for space doll house and a guild ship with little PvP and PvE content (which are unquestionably the core of this and any MMO game) there is a serious problem in development priorities.

And speaking of cross server (which this forum is aimed to), most MMOs have this as a standard feature. Not to mention it is the solution for most PvP problems, being from low population to low participation in ranked. So when a standard feature essential for PvP thriving, was not, is not and seems never will be in the plans, and we are getting mini games and cosmetics, we have a huge problem. It is improper use of resources.

It is an executive management issue not programming issue.

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L-RANDLE
03.28.2014 , 10:19 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Joesixxpack View Post
Also unjustified are the ridiculous posts filling threads like this, pretending that day-to-day programming realities matter more than they really do. It's people tiers higher up the food chain than the worker bees choosing what to invest in, or in the case of PVP here, not to. That's where gripes often point but butthurt "I dev IRL" types feel the need to put themselves in the middle.

I understand, programmers need to feel important and appreciated often. So

/pet

/banana
This thread reminds me of this. Especially@ 26sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLScU...e_gdata_player


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TUXs
03.28.2014 , 10:42 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Carter_Mathis View Post
No, consumer are able to ask for what they want. However, they are not able to throw a fit and pretend their requests are as simple as they have deluded themselves to believe. At that point, they have an unjustified anger spawned from ignorance.
I believe it is YOU who has deluded yourself with some sense of importance that you really don't have. I have the money, you (Bioware) want that money. I'm able to be as ignorant as I want...because I have the money. You are entertainment. When your inability to implement what I want reaches a head, I'll take my money elsewhere. Your lack of skill doesn't buy you extra time or additional love from me. You're non-essential fluff. You either deliver or you don't.
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KamujinKravshera
03.28.2014 , 11:32 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Joesixxpack View Post
*Reality: Developers are functionaries who carry out the directives of more strategically aware and enlightened people than themselves; like me.
"Strategically aware" is a euphemism for useless middle manager. Get back in your meetings and answer your emails dummy, the real talent has work to do.
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Carter_Mathis
03.28.2014 , 11:35 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I believe it is YOU who has deluded yourself with some sense of importance that you really don't have. I have the money, you (Bioware) want that money. I'm able to be as ignorant as I want...because I have the money. You are entertainment. When your inability to implement what I want reaches a head, I'll take my money elsewhere. Your lack of skill doesn't buy you extra time or additional love from me. You're non-essential fluff. You either deliver or you don't.
You, along with roughly 7 billion other people, have some form of currency. That does not make you special or entitled. Having money doesn't give you power, having control over a company's earnings does. The small, highly entertaining, and demanding faction that continually tells Bioware what they need to put into the game or else they may unsub does not have significant control over EA's earnings. That faction, and I guess by extension you, do not have power because that faction is an incredibly small portion of the population. There probably aren't even enough people who frequent the forums to dent the game's revenue. Just because you can find $15 every month does not give you the power in that relationship.

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TUXs
03.28.2014 , 11:40 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Carter_Mathis View Post
You, along with roughly 7 billion other people, have some form of currency. That does not make you special or entitled. Having money doesn't give you power, having control over a company's earnings does. The small, highly entertaining, and demanding faction that continually tells Bioware what they need to put into the game or else they may unsub does not have significant control over EA's earnings. That faction, and I guess by extension you, do not have power because that faction is an incredibly small portion of the population. There probably aren't even enough people who frequent the forums to dent the game's revenue. Just because you can find $15 every month does not give you the power in that relationship.
Individually, you're right. But collectively, we do have the power.
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ThorgrimLutgen
03.28.2014 , 11:42 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Carter_Mathis View Post
No, consumer are able to ask for what they want. However, they are not able to throw a fit and pretend their requests are as simple as they have deluded themselves to believe. At that point, they have an unjustified anger spawned from ignorance.
Consumers should withdraw the benefit of their money when the product does not meet their expectations.

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varietasplus
03.28.2014 , 01:17 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I believe it is YOU who has deluded yourself with some sense of importance that you really don't have. I have the money, you (Bioware) want that money. I'm able to be as ignorant as I want...because I have the money. You are entertainment. When your inability to implement what I want reaches a head, I'll take my money elsewhere. Your lack of skill doesn't buy you extra time or additional love from me. You're non-essential fluff. You either deliver or you don't.
There is no vendor/entertainer/manufacturer who could/want to please everyone with their product, therefore they all need to pick a segment. In that segment they aim to please the majority, but still not everyone for it is impossible. It is obvious SWTOR is to please PVE players who might play PVP sometimes, but not HC PVPers.

We can cry/criticize/curse them as much as we want, nothing is going to change their way towards us.
Actually I bet they were happy if we were gone, but they do not wish to say it directly (too bad PR even for them).
On the other hand, their responds to PVP FAQ was a well masked GET OUT! message.

Deal with it. Yes, it is not easy for PVP in this game has so much potential, but money talks and the wallet of PVE players talks louder.

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TUXs
03.28.2014 , 02:21 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by varietasplus View Post
There is no vendor/entertainer/manufacturer who could/want to please everyone with their product, therefore they all need to pick a segment. In that segment they aim to please the majority, but still not everyone for it is impossible. It is obvious SWTOR is to please PVE players who might play PVP sometimes, but not HC PVPers.

We can cry/criticize/curse them as much as we want, nothing is going to change their way towards us.
Actually I bet they were happy if we were gone, but they do not wish to say it directly (too bad PR even for them).
On the other hand, their responds to PVP FAQ was a well masked GET OUT! message.

Deal with it. Yes, it is not easy for PVP in this game has so much potential, but money talks and the wallet of PVE players talks louder.
I actually agree with you.

I also believe the loss of the PvPers will impact this game more than Bioware appears to think, because those of us (like me) who do a little of everything in-game, will also walk away. I LOVE PvP...it's my preferred style of play ANY day. But I learned (and accepted) long ago that SWTOR couldn't entertain me with the same 4 boxes, so I looked for other things to excite me. GSF died before it "officially" launched and PvE hasn't seen an update in 7 months (aside from KDY which is a joke).

Although they told PvPers this week that they were on the back burner and not to expect anything any time soon, they haven't done much for anyone else either. But again...you're right. Bioware's reply made it very clear what they think of their PvP player base.
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