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Make Light Side Jaesa Willsaam Romance-able

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Make Light Side Jaesa Willsaam Romance-able

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Rhinzual
11.24.2012 , 02:42 AM | #541
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaos_KidSWTOR View Post
Ok not to be a party pooper but Who playes Sith Warrior to be a light side pansy? Thats totaly contradictoray to a true sith warrior... anyways i think this is not in the game because SW are ment to be DS not LS.
Actually, if you take a few steps back and look at what a LS SW is really doing, it's downright devious and manipulative. Instead of killing everyone like Baras instructs him (in the case of romancing Jaesa) to do, the SW instead spares his supposed enemies to often have them swear loyalty to him. He knows Baras will eventually betray him, and is preparing for it. The Jedi you encounter actually expect you to embrace the Dark Side (like some posters here as well) and you completely throw them for a loop by going LS. Heck, one Jedi can be convinced to leave because he now questions if you really are evil, and the one who stays to fight you can be turned to the Dark Side merely by reciting the Jedi Code after he's beaten. Then there's Jaesa's parents, Baras wants you to kill them, but if you go Light and spare them, he actually believes you intend on having them serve him to have Jaesa be tormented. Not once does it enter his head that a Light Sight Warrior is telling them to serve Baras and the Empire so they can finally have a better life (in comparison to what they were at before) and to help in Jaesa seeing that not all Sith are evil.

What's the guy's name? Ajunta Pual or somesuch? You encounter his Force Ghost in the first KOTOR in his tomb and he even straight up tells you that the constant betrayal and evil nature of the Sith is such a screwed up mess that as they stand, they have no chance at completing any real long term goals. You can even tell him that even after all this time, he can still be saved, he questions it until he finally tries and finds that his old master, back from the first schism is actually waiting for him to become one with the force.

The Light Side Sith Warrior knows he has to kill and won't quite shy away from it, but he knows that pointless cruelty doesn't serve the Empire at all in the long run. He realizes just how bad the more obsessed Sith Lords can be for the Empire. They're so concerned with increasing their own power right away that most cannot see five minutes past their plans, and even Baras, as stated above, can be tricked rather easily by a Light Sith Warrior into believing merciful, compassionate, and even actions bordering on preparing for the inevitable betrayal (Sith always betray each other) as furthering his own goals exactly as he planned. The Light Sith Warrior lacks that elitist arrogance and acts in such a manner that people who expect him to be typical and visibly thrown for a loop and start to question things.

I suppose the quickest way to say is that the DS SW is your typical, predictable psycho Sith we see everywhere in the game, but the LS SW is someone who values a good challenge and a worthy opponent to battle/kill. One is very short sighted, the other is always considering the long term aspects and how they can eventually benefit him far more than the Dark Side acts would provide for a brief bit of time.

Bit long-winded, but I'm tired of people saying LS SW is a pansy who isn't a real Sith. The real Sith are technically the aliens who downright hate the current Empire and the so-called 'Purebloods' as well. Also, sometimes the Light Side's actions can be even worse for the victim than the Dark Side's actions. Black Talon's The General being spared could easily be seen as worse than simply killing him for defecting.

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Gelious
11.24.2012 , 03:18 AM | #542
I am sorry to say that yesterday I finally gave up and married Vette. I have a SW with neutral alignment, I chose LS Jaesa because I play Lawful Evil rather then "kill them all" style. I was around since the launch and had Vette at full affection with few unfinished quests just so I didn't have to marry her.

But after all this time I think it's obvious Bioware doesn't give a damn about this thread. Sorry guys(
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Naevea
11.25.2012 , 02:55 AM | #543
Honestly what people don't get is this:
Jedi are about order, rules and laws (lawful nuetral for you DnD players)
Sith are about passion, be it hate, rage or love (Chaotic nuetral)

Most people jsut associate Jedi as being "good" because they follow a strict code and sith as bad because usually passion comes out as hate or agression in society.

In other words, a LS sith that romances Jaesa (were it possible) would not be a 'pansy jedi lover' but rather a sith that is showing passion through love and affection rather than rage and agression.

/signed

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khayyinx
11.28.2012 , 08:13 AM | #544
Okay, i just finished the jaesa quest, and having read this thread i wanted to make her ds to romance.
Killed her old mentor and her parents, but when the time came, there wasnt a ds option in dialog and didnt killed her mentor..
Now i have a ls jaesa even that i wanted her ds, and cant romamce nor change her alignment!!!
/Signed

Since a lot of people posted here with the same opinion and NO DEV REPLIED! !!! We should take this thread to custom service. We are the custimers and I pay to play this game, so we should be listened or at least replied!!!

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Sluggardpirate
12.10.2012 , 04:37 AM | #545
/Signed. Stopped playing in March and just started playing again a month or so ago. Realized that I didn't romance Vette (at 10k w/ her) so I am playing the patient suitor for Jaesa on my SW...it's been a long time!

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Dharnell
12.11.2012 , 03:41 AM | #546
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhinzual View Post
Actually, if you take a few steps back and look at what a LS SW is really doing, it's downright devious and manipulative. Instead of killing everyone like Baras instructs him (in the case of romancing Jaesa) to do, the SW instead spares his supposed enemies to often have them swear loyalty to him. He knows Baras will eventually betray him, and is preparing for it. The Jedi you encounter actually expect you to embrace the Dark Side (like some posters here as well) and you completely throw them for a loop by going LS. Heck, one Jedi can be convinced to leave because he now questions if you really are evil, and the one who stays to fight you can be turned to the Dark Side merely by reciting the Jedi Code after he's beaten. Then there's Jaesa's parents, Baras wants you to kill them, but if you go Light and spare them, he actually believes you intend on having them serve him to have Jaesa be tormented. Not once does it enter his head that a Light Sight Warrior is telling them to serve Baras and the Empire so they can finally have a better life (in comparison to what they were at before) and to help in Jaesa seeing that not all Sith are evil.

What's the guy's name? Ajunta Pual or somesuch? You encounter his Force Ghost in the first KOTOR in his tomb and he even straight up tells you that the constant betrayal and evil nature of the Sith is such a screwed up mess that as they stand, they have no chance at completing any real long term goals. You can even tell him that even after all this time, he can still be saved, he questions it until he finally tries and finds that his old master, back from the first schism is actually waiting for him to become one with the force.

The Light Side Sith Warrior knows he has to kill and won't quite shy away from it, but he knows that pointless cruelty doesn't serve the Empire at all in the long run. He realizes just how bad the more obsessed Sith Lords can be for the Empire. They're so concerned with increasing their own power right away that most cannot see five minutes past their plans, and even Baras, as stated above, can be tricked rather easily by a Light Sith Warrior into believing merciful, compassionate, and even actions bordering on preparing for the inevitable betrayal (Sith always betray each other) as furthering his own goals exactly as he planned. The Light Sith Warrior lacks that elitist arrogance and acts in such a manner that people who expect him to be typical and visibly thrown for a loop and start to question things.

I suppose the quickest way to say is that the DS SW is your typical, predictable psycho Sith we see everywhere in the game, but the LS SW is someone who values a good challenge and a worthy opponent to battle/kill. One is very short sighted, the other is always considering the long term aspects and how they can eventually benefit him far more than the Dark Side acts would provide for a brief bit of time.

Bit long-winded, but I'm tired of people saying LS SW is a pansy who isn't a real Sith. The real Sith are technically the aliens who downright hate the current Empire and the so-called 'Purebloods' as well. Also, sometimes the Light Side's actions can be even worse for the victim than the Dark Side's actions. Black Talon's The General being spared could easily be seen as worse than simply killing him for defecting.
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Korwyn
12.14.2012 , 12:11 PM | #547
I once mentioned making Jaesa light side romance-able to Neil Pollner (the SW writer) and his response was "Don't start". He really wanted her to have only a dark side romance and for the light side to keep true to her jedi training. That is how he wrote the story. Good news is that he is no longer on the SWTOR team (he writes for Mass Effect now). So maybe the writer that took over his duties will find it in their heart to change the romance options.

/signed

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myolinyr
12.17.2012 , 09:04 PM | #548
lolz...keep dreaming....

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Surinen
12.20.2012 , 02:12 PM | #549
I hope it will never happen, I would like her to stay light side with an option in future on second attempt to turn her darkside. If she is true to the Jedi code or her training then she shouldnt romance with a warrior no matter how filthy with light side he would become
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Lord_Erman
12.25.2012 , 02:27 AM | #550
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhinzual View Post
Actually, if you take a few steps back and look at what a LS SW is really doing, it's downright devious and manipulative. Instead of killing everyone like Baras instructs him (in the case of romancing Jaesa) to do, the SW instead spares his supposed enemies to often have them swear loyalty to him. He knows Baras will eventually betray him, and is preparing for it. The Jedi you encounter actually expect you to embrace the Dark Side (like some posters here as well) and you completely throw them for a loop by going LS. Heck, one Jedi can be convinced to leave because he now questions if you really are evil, and the one who stays to fight you can be turned to the Dark Side merely by reciting the Jedi Code after he's beaten. Then there's Jaesa's parents, Baras wants you to kill them, but if you go Light and spare them, he actually believes you intend on having them serve him to have Jaesa be tormented. Not once does it enter his head that a Light Sight Warrior is telling them to serve Baras and the Empire so they can finally have a better life (in comparison to what they were at before) and to help in Jaesa seeing that not all Sith are evil.

What's the guy's name? Ajunta Pual or somesuch? You encounter his Force Ghost in the first KOTOR in his tomb and he even straight up tells you that the constant betrayal and evil nature of the Sith is such a screwed up mess that as they stand, they have no chance at completing any real long term goals. You can even tell him that even after all this time, he can still be saved, he questions it until he finally tries and finds that his old master, back from the first schism is actually waiting for him to become one with the force.

The Light Side Sith Warrior knows he has to kill and won't quite shy away from it, but he knows that pointless cruelty doesn't serve the Empire at all in the long run. He realizes just how bad the more obsessed Sith Lords can be for the Empire. They're so concerned with increasing their own power right away that most cannot see five minutes past their plans, and even Baras, as stated above, can be tricked rather easily by a Light Sith Warrior into believing merciful, compassionate, and even actions bordering on preparing for the inevitable betrayal (Sith always betray each other) as furthering his own goals exactly as he planned. The Light Sith Warrior lacks that elitist arrogance and acts in such a manner that people who expect him to be typical and visibly thrown for a loop and start to question things.

I suppose the quickest way to say is that the DS SW is your typical, predictable psycho Sith we see everywhere in the game, but the LS SW is someone who values a good challenge and a worthy opponent to battle/kill. One is very short sighted, the other is always considering the long term aspects and how they can eventually benefit him far more than the Dark Side acts would provide for a brief bit of time.

Bit long-winded, but I'm tired of people saying LS SW is a pansy who isn't a real Sith. The real Sith are technically the aliens who downright hate the current Empire and the so-called 'Purebloods' as well. Also, sometimes the Light Side's actions can be even worse for the victim than the Dark Side's actions. Black Talon's The General being spared could easily be seen as worse than simply killing him for defecting.
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