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Does Clone Wars get better?


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Maaruin
03.12.2014 , 11:19 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
Clone Wars gets darker and darker and darker. That's all.

And because of that I didn't even watch Season 3 on TV, and stopped buying Season 4 & 5 for DVD (Season 3 was my last DVD buy).

I believe that this is something like how people prefer the Sith and the Empire : If things become more dramatic and more darker, people wiull happily buy it, because "dark & gritty" = cool nowadays. And that can be seen in gaming as well. And that's why Game Of Thrones does so well on TV. Peiople want to see blood, slaughter and darkness. Heavy Metal Clone Wars.

Good & Light & lighthearted = uncool, it seems to be.
You are right, there is the tendency to make things more dark and gritty. (As far as I know that tendency started over twenty years ago, though.) And especially in Star Wars that's not always positive. I could ramble about that for some time, but that'd be off topic.

For the clone wars periode, that ship has sailed long ago. Episode III is dark and gritty (for a Star Wars movie) and so the Clone Wars series should get progressively more dark. The setting doesn't allow for much else. We know almost all characters will die within a few years, and having it be lighthearted all the time would be misplaced. (But lighter episodes are possible and they exist in every season except 6.)

Maybe Rebels will be more to your liking. It seems to be mostly lighthearted adventure stories and if they manage that and still manage to present the Empire as threatening and evil, I'm happy as well.
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Beniboybling
03.12.2014 , 11:25 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
You are right, there is the tendency to make things more dark and gritty. (As far as I know that tendency started over twenty years ago, though.) And especially in Star Wars that's not always positive. I could ramble about that for some time, but that'd be off topic.

For the clone wars periode, that ship has sailed long ago. Episode III is dark and gritty (for a Star Wars movie) and so the Clone Wars series should get progressively more dark. The setting doesn't allow for much else. We know almost all characters will die within a few years, and having it be lighthearted all the time would be misplaced. (But lighter episodes are possible and they exist in every season except 6.)

Maybe Rebels will be more to your liking. It seems to be mostly lighthearted adventure stories and if they manage that and still manage to present the Empire as threatening and evil, I'm happy as well.
I agree, all things in moderation. An excess of dark and gritty action is no less harmful than an excess of lighthearted, unserious action. I feel Clone Wars has struck a firm balance.

I mean, watching some of the earliest episodes some of the humor and lightheartedness strikes me as odd. I feel especially in the movie there was an excess of jokes and quips when the situation they were in was in fact quite dire and serious, and it cheapened it a little, even if the humor was good, and it often was.

I honestly hope Rebels isn't too lighthearted either, for the same reason. Its set in the Dark Times, they shouldn't be laughing and joking all the time and having "fun" when the Galactic Empire is bearing down on them.

But Filoni has actually promised that that show will explore some darker themes as well, which is good to hear. Also I think the reason people prefer dark and gritty over lighthearted and fun is simple because its more realistic.

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Aurbere
03.12.2014 , 01:01 PM | #13
It gets better eventually, depending on how deep into the lore you are.
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jaytdasme
03.12.2014 , 04:26 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
Clone Wars gets darker and darker and darker. That's all.
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Star wars as a whole is pretty grim. Sure the good guys always win but it's fleeting at best, lasting only for like a decade or so... then you have your "hundred year darkness" your "infinate empire", your "Palpatine's empire"," One Sith empire" etc etc. The upper hand for the good guys is fleeting at best. But in a since that's it's charm. Unlike DC and Marvel for example, Most of these characters have a finite lifespan and generally don't get to come back (or stay revived long.) It brings a slight sense of realism in a since that as powerful as Luke becomes, a blaster shot to the face would have still put him down for the count. So we get a sense of attachment to these characters through their journey and just like IRL a good chunk of our jedi heroes don't get a happy ending.

Even though Disney has a tendancy to color things and keep it PG for the kids XD
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Maaruin
03.12.2014 , 05:12 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by jaytdasme View Post
Star wars as a whole is pretty grim. Sure the good guys always win but it's fleeting at best, lasting only for like a decade or so... then you have your "hundred year darkness" your "infinate empire", your "Palpatine's empire"," One Sith empire" etc etc. The upper hand for the good guys is fleeting at best. But in a since that's it's charm. Unlike DC and Marvel for example, Most of these characters have a finite lifespan and generally don't get to come back (or stay revived long.) It brings a slight sense of realism in a since that as powerful as Luke becomes, a blaster shot to the face would have still put him down for the count. So we get a sense of attachment to these characters through their journey and just like IRL a good chunk of our jedi heroes don't get a happy ending.

Even though Disney has a tendancy to color things and keep it PG for the kids XD
A little off-topic, but this is what I meant when I said "dark" isn't always good for Star Wars. The original trilogy gives the impression that before the Empire, things were good. And after the Empire is defeated, things will return to good.

The EU somewhat contradicts that. Often the writers follow the story structure from the movies, which require the bad guys to be overwhelmingly powerful. Almost all stories start with the Sith in a superior position and the hero has to save the galaxy from them. I'd like to see more creativity.

There have been centuries of peace in galactic history. Why can't we explore those from time to time?


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I honestly hope Rebels isn't too lighthearted either, for the same reason. Its set in the Dark Times, they shouldn't be laughing and joking all the time and having "fun" when the Galactic Empire is bearing down on them.
Lighthearted is probably the wrong word. What I meant was that it could be more optimistic. With the different set of characters, the Ghost's crew could have a more idealistic mindset than the Clone Wars Jedi.

"Yes, these are the Dark Times, but if we work together we can fix the galaxy." Then the Empire's reality punches them in the face, but they don't give up.

Well, that's what I would like for Rebels, your preferences could very well be different.
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jaytdasme
03.12.2014 , 05:27 PM | #16
ah yes.. digression my bad. I guess i was trying to Create a definition for "better" since OP didn't. personally In terms of entertainment.. it's pretty static Imo. If you didn't care for the pilot the rest probably won't do it for you. I for one am completely turned off by Ashoka so i don't really care fore the series. (especially since it's centered around her.) As far as lore goes, it's not the best chapter in star wars history but certainty has it's moments.

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For me...it's not that things need to always be dark and gritty...it's just that it's more realistic and there is more emotional impact than pure "good and light and lighthearted".

A good middle ground would be nice...but if the only choice is between "good and light and lighthearted" or "dark and gritty"...than I will take dark and gritty everytime.
Clone Wars would be your middle ground.. until the end when Anakin is slaughtering children and such... *cough*
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Chrisweaver
03.12.2014 , 09:53 PM | #17
Season 5 and 6 are amazing. I loved watching the Jedi go on trial and claim that all Jedi should be put on trial. I could just imagine how happy Palpatine was hearing it I know he must have done tons celebrating that night
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countersource
03.12.2014 , 10:49 PM | #18
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Season 5 and 6 are amazing. I loved watching the Jedi go on trial and claim that all Jedi should be put on trial. I could just imagine how happy Palpatine was hearing it I know he must have done tons celebrating that night
The last episode was my favorite of the whole series I think, though I guess it isn't the last anymore?

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Callaron
03.12.2014 , 11:38 PM | #19
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6YfDBmh8

On a serious note, once you meet Cad Bane, the show just excels from there. Season 1 is okay, Season 2 is getting there, but by S.3, it gets really good. Season 3 is my personal favorite, but 4 and 5 are very close. 6 isn't anything special, I'm afraid.
Yep, it also gets darker as it draws closer to Episode 3.
Definitely one of those rare shows where it gets better as the seasons go on, compared to the many other shows that have a stellar first season and then start dragging their feet.
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