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War Zones... Why are YOU here?

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War Zones... Why are YOU here?

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NamelessMerc
11.14.2013 , 12:30 PM | #1
So it's that time again, someone (this time me) is going to ***** about PVP.

I don't have an issue with the classes that hasn't already been covered by others so let's in stead, talk about the player base. On my server the general PVP skill in the 10/29 and 30/54 bracket is ridiculously appalling on both sides of the fence, Republic and Imperial.

I know that there may be some first timers/new players in there but this game has been running long enough that a decent percentage of the low level players are people who have rolled a new character for something different to play and likely already have one or more level cap characters.

What really gets me is regardless of whether you're a new player or it's just a new character, how the hell can people be so stupid as to not understand universal basics in a war zone? I'm talking simple tactics that don't require a brilliant mind.

Things like:

* I'm on my own, if I run into that location and attempt to capture it while there's two or three opponents in there, I'll die.

I see whole groups of players dying in war zones, re-spawning and charging back where they died only to die again but due to various delays (depending on map) they funnel into death traps one at a time and keep doing it again and again seeming totally unable to acknowledge that if they just waited fifteen seconds, one or two more allied players would catch up to them and they could fight as a group.

* My team mate here is getting low on health, I'll heal him/her THEN return to whatever I was doing.

I cannot be the ONLY person who finds it mind-boggling when attempting Void Star for example, watching half my team standing around waiting for the enemy to get out of their spawn so they can battle them again in stead of planting an explosive on the doors or watching an enemy approach me from behind while I'm planting an explosive but rather than stun them so I can finish they just begin to DPS them, the enemy ignores them, interrupts me then either dies or kills us as his/her friends show up.

I see others pointlessly going all out and burning all their best skills with lengthy cool downs against a tank who has a healer standing right by them, maintaining their good health. I want to briefly step into the Star Wars universe and headbutt the ******** fighting the tank then suggest they target the healer in stead.

I know I'm having a good ol' Q_Q here but it is confusing as hell to me.

That said, I don't expect people to magically be familiar with all the do's and don'ts from day dot. Nor do I expect people to forgo doing whatever amuses them, it's a game and they're meant to be enjoyed, however...

If you are a new player, there's plenty of support available to you. I have previously posted a lengthy article on this forum detailing some basics in regards to war zones, search it out and read it as it's a good place to start. Try to understand that when you queue for a war zone, other people will be depending on you...

They're called war zones rather than duels because there's more people involved than just you and whoever you happen to be fighting at the time. Whenever you hit that button and queue up for a war zone, you're actually asking to be put into a situation that's heavily dependent on team play, cooperation and communication for victory.

(unless you're pitted against the randoms I seem to get stuck with - then simply don't somehow implode on the spot and you've probably won)

If you're not willing to follow the helpful advice that some people offer after war zones, if you won't listen to tactical info. sent your way during matches (someone calling grs inc 2 - for example), if you're not interested in working as part of a team then regardless of your personal level of skill, why are in a war zone?

People don't seem to realize that regardless of how good your gear is and how talented you as in individual are (or think you are) you cannot, WILL NOT, win a war zone on your own. It just can't be done. It's okay to suck at the basics, it's not a crime to be inexperienced and I would always encourage new players to try their hand (and luck) at war zones but please, if you're going bring anything to a war zone, bring a willingness to learn and a team based mentality.

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MidichIorian
11.14.2013 , 12:35 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by NamelessMerc View Post
People don't seem to realize that regardless of how good your gear is and how talented you as in individual are (or think you are) you cannot, WILL NOT, win a war zone on your own. It just can't be done.
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Arlanon
11.14.2013 , 02:12 PM | #3
A dozen years ago MMOs were for smart people.

now they r 4 EVERY-1!

MMOs are the greatest social experiment on Planet Earth. They are a wake-up call to how utterly stupid the Human Race really is. They throw it right in our faces. There's just no ignoring it anymore!

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TheNahash
11.14.2013 , 03:58 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlanon View Post
A dozen years ago MMOs were for smart people.

now they r 4 EVERY-1!

MMOs are the greatest social experiment on Planet Earth. They are a wake-up call to how utterly stupid the Human Race really is. They throw it right in our faces. There's just no ignoring it anymore!
It's not (only) about stupidity. Mostly, it's about ego.
People think they are better than the rest and do stupid things like leave nodes unguarded so they can solo that sorcerer 100m from the node (and they get stealth capped by a stealther they weren't even aware of).
People tunnel vision so hard because they think that no one would DARE cap while they are guarding - and they lose the node.
Awful Smashers who think they're God's gift to PVP think they can solo a Sorcerer just because they are playing a class that offers that advantage IF the two players are of equal skill - so they don't even bother calling an incoming sorc and they lose the node.


And then there is the ultimate level of ego/stupidity:
Not playing an objective based map with the objectives in mind.

There was a post recently by someone who can only be considered a troll and a really good example of why PVPers have such bad rep amongst gamers, who claimed that he's not here to play objectives, he's here to play however the hell he wants.
He thinks he's actually good at what he's doing because he's No1 in DPS. Meanwhile, any other player with an IQ above -10, understands that no matter how hard you hit, if you don't cap the node or if you don't pass the ball in Huttball, you're NEVER going to win.
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Kerensk
11.14.2013 , 04:17 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNahash View Post
It's not (only) about stupidity. Mostly, it's about ego
This is so true. The people who most contribute to the loss are often some of the most individually skilled players, but instead of using the skill as a team they go for the big DPS numbers and lose on objectives. They see their big numbers and think they're unstoppable but spend all their time chasing kills and ignoring all else.

Many times the person who contributed the most to winning has the lowest numbers of the team because they spent all their time being first to react it incoming calls, or peeled off of battle to interrupt an enemy cap, or ran away from the melee to go in position for a Huttball pass or friendly pull into the end zone.
If they stopped to focus on 1on1 battles they would have been the top but they were smart and played to win, not to inflate their DPS, unfortunately people still base MVP and praise off the numbers.

Many of the worst teams I've played on had the best players, they just played solo the whole match instead of synergizing with their team.
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Beeteel
11.14.2013 , 04:52 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlanon View Post
A dozen years ago MMOs were for smart people.

now they r 4 EVERY-1!

MMOs are the greatest social experiment on Planet Earth. They are a wake-up call to how utterly stupid the Human Race really is. They throw it right in our faces. There's just no ignoring it anymore!
There are actually MMOs for smart ppl, out there, one in particular. Wont name it here even though it would probably weed out the stupid lazy and moronic soon enough anyway

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Arlanon
11.14.2013 , 04:59 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Beeteel
There are actually MMOs for smart ppl, out there, one in particular. Wont name it here even though it would probably weed out the stupid lazy and moronic soon enough anyway
I know the one, and I do regret not spending more time on it. Friends were already split up with other games, and I was a truck driver, so I never got to give it a proper go.

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midianlord
11.14.2013 , 05:22 PM | #8
Actually OP, everything you list in your post is why I'm not in the Warzone anymore, even though normally at level-cap, PvP is pretty much all I do. (Don't even get me started about 4v4 Arenas. Stupidest. Thing. EVER.)

And let's make it absolutely clear:

I am not any kind of great PvP fighter at all, but what really gets me is that most people don't seem to get that PvP in this game --yes, world as well as instanced, at least to a degree-- is not fundamentally about fighting*. It's about strategy, tactics, and co-ordination, and I do decently well in most WZs because of always concentrating on doing these the best I can, much more so than being a God of the 1v1.

The vast majority of "PvP'ers" in this game seemingly not only don't get this, but they also act like complete ***** to those who do, and the resulting atmosphere is just utterly poisonous.

I despair for the long-term health of this game because of this, among other reasons.

*Proof:

UIVMM, it is at least theoretically possible to win a VoidStar --my favourite map along with HuttBall-- without scoring a single kill. It's not about the fight, it's about the objectives and the strategy for capping same in the most efficient manner, at least for that map. The fight will come, but the objective is not to fulff one's e-p33nz0r with huge numbers, it's to end it ASAP so you can then do what is actually needed to win. Again, most SW: tOR "PvP'er's" wouldn't glom on to this if it ran up and bit them in the arse. Which it often does.

But then, remember, it's never their fault.
Merc and 'Slinger since launch, Merc and 'Slinger for life
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midianlord
11.14.2013 , 05:25 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Beeteel View Post
There are actually MMOs for smart ppl, out there, one in particular. Wont name it here even though it would probably weed out the stupid lazy and moronic soon enough anyway
I'll be happy to, social "correctness" be damned:

EVE-Online.

Thank God I'll always have that: A game for adults.
Merc and 'Slinger since launch, Merc and 'Slinger for life
(Feels good, doesn't it? Well it certainly does for me!)

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Beeteel
11.14.2013 , 07:16 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlanon View Post
I know the one, and I do regret not spending more time on it. Friends were already split up with other games, and I was a truck driver, so I never got to give it a proper go.
Never to late ya know and u can always make friends ingame. I have never played a game where friendships are as rewarding, IRL friends or in game friends