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Why is being good at PvP viewed with such a negative connotation?

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Why is being good at PvP viewed with such a negative connotation?

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cashogy_reborn
11.10.2013 , 12:36 PM | #1
Serious question. If you are good at PvP (Im talking top couple % here), why are you immediately labeled by spectators/opponents as a no-life, live in your parents basement kind of gamer? The stigma attached to having skill in a video game is so incredibly negative these days, its sometimes hard to actually believe it.

Is it because the "casual gamer" has grown so widespread in many of the popular types of gaming? And why is the "casual gamer" widely considered someone with only average playing skill?

Perhaps it is a reflection on society as a whole, where successful people are not only often ridiculed, but many less successful people demand their "fair share" of what those successful people have earned?


Im genuinely curious as to what you all think on this issue. In my opinion, overall play time has little to do with actual skill or performance in end-game PvP. So why does being good at pressing buttons cause many to immediately identify someone as a "no life gamer"?
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CivicTiger
11.10.2013 , 12:57 PM | #2
That's how it is viewed throughout much of North America and Europe. It's a whole different story in many parts of Asia.

Many good PVPers only log in for one or two hours at a time to do arenas. I know a number of these and they are quite successful in their "day jobs." Often the stigma is incorrect. For example, last year I was in a SWTOR guild with three attorneys, a professor at the University of Hawaii, a successful Google employee and a marine biologist.

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Evolixe
11.10.2013 , 01:29 PM | #3
Eh, I don't get the idea that people are thinking of me like that at all.
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Seireeni
11.10.2013 , 01:38 PM | #5
It's pretty typical for human mind to come up with excuses why they aren't as good as some other people. It's normal, and it's healthy. If I remember correctly, a mentally healthy person is at least a little more optimistic than realistic and imagine they are a little more skilled than they actually are. If you don't do that, there's a risk you may start showing signs of depression.

So, human mind comes with excuses why we didn't do as good as we expected. I lost in a sports competition, because I was a little sick a few days before it and haven't fully recovered yet. I failed at a test because the questions asked were about the things I didn't study as well as the other things, which weren't asked. I failed at pvp, because I have to live my life, while my opponent doesn't have one, so he can practise more.

Part of the problem might also be, than in television and movies at least, hardcore gamers are usually shown in a rather negative way. I personally haven't yet seen a series where a hardcore gamer who's good at some game is shown in any other light than "look, a funny no-life nerd who doesn't know what real life is!". (I don't watch that much tv, so I may have missed them, though.) Many people haven't actually met irl or even talked much url with hardcore gamers, so this idea media might give stays simply because it's the source of information they have about the typical "afk"-life of those players who top all charts in all warzones. (As ridiculous as it sounds, quite possible.)
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TheronFett
11.10.2013 , 01:51 PM | #6
Most rumors, stereotypes, myths, and hearsay are based on experience and fact.

To get good at anything, you have to practice. Sure there are savants, people who are just freakin' awesome at something as if they were born to do it, but they are the exception. To get good at video games, MMOs in particular, requires lots and lots of play time. Do /played the next time you're on your main to find out how many days of your life you've toiled away playing pew pew in a pretend Star Wars environment.

The other thread got deleted because my comments (and I sure others) hit a little bit too close to home for some people to swallow. It is what it is...reality. Yeah, I know some military people who are great at PvP, even some college and high school age kids. But a good majority are the no-lifers, the people who practically live in the game because this is all they have.

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MidichIorian
11.10.2013 , 02:20 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
Eh, I don't get the idea that people are thinking of me like that at all.
We don't!!!!!

Oh, bazinga moment.

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Ramalina
11.10.2013 , 02:33 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by TheronFett View Post
Most rumors, stereotypes, myths, and hearsay are based on experience and fact.

To get good at anything, you have to practice.
Both true. However, rumors, stereotypes, myths and hearsay are often based on experience and fact in much the way that Hollywood movies are, "based on a true life story." That is to say a ratio of 2 to 3 hours worth of pure confection built on a single sentence worth of news headline, which may itself only contain a kernel of truth.

I doubt learning PvP on a computer game takes more time than other hobbies, and it's safer and less expensive than a lot of other recreation options, even if it is pointless and not particularly good for you health wise.

The complaints are mostly from people who are unhappy that they lost, and if they didn't use unwarranted cultural biases about gamers then they would have to come up with original insults of their own. That would involve excessive effort on their part.

For the thread starter, if it bothers you perhaps you need to post a thread of more creative insults that people who've just lost at PvP can use. For example:

"You smell like hippo farts and you mother was a mangy camel!"

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cashogy_reborn
11.10.2013 , 02:43 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by TheronFett View Post
Most rumors, stereotypes, myths, and hearsay are based on experience and fact.

To get good at anything, you have to practice. Sure there are savants, people who are just freakin' awesome at something as if they were born to do it, but they are the exception. To get good at video games, MMOs in particular, requires lots and lots of play time. Do /played the next time you're on your main to find out how many days of your life you've toiled away playing pew pew in a pretend Star Wars environment.

The other thread got deleted because my comments (and I sure others) hit a little bit too close to home for some people to swallow. It is what it is...reality. Yeah, I know some military people who are great at PvP, even some college and high school age kids. But a good majority are the no-lifers, the people who practically live in the game because this is all they have.
Based on what evidence? There is literally zero evidence to back up any stereotype you are implying. Other than baseless accusations and assumptions......

Youre the perfect example of what I am talking about. If someone is better than you it *must* be b/c they have no life and spend all their time playing the game. Sadly, I think you would find that to be the exact opposite of what the real situation is.

You die in PvP and do you picture that fat guy from the WoW South Park episode as your opponent? Im certain there are a few people like that, but nowhere near what you would like to believe.


As far as people claiming you need a lot of practice to actually be good at this game, you do not. If youre capable of some pretty basic memory skills, perception and general situational awareness you are already in the top tier of players. After that its simply pushing the right buttons at the right times. This game is far from hard.

Being competitive is so frowned upon and I dont really understand it. People with competitive spirit generally apply it to everything they do. Yet its perceived by the general player-base as massive negative. Go figure.
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