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The REAL Most Powerful Project

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The REAL Most Powerful Project

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Beniboybling
07.16.2013 , 01:29 PM | #1
After experiencing a number of unorganised threads concerning personal opinion on the most powerful Jedi, Sith etc. I decided to set up a series of threads were formal debate could be held, with the purpose of reaching consensus on who the REAL most powerful were. Rather than our personal opinions. So together me and the awesome community here have tirelessly engaged in debate and discussion, formulating lists of who we all agree to be the ten most powerful and skilled in a designated field.

Here I shall be compiling all the lists we have completed. Hopefully this will be a go-to source and sort of 'forum-canon' for any future discussions and debates on this matter, that the majority of people agree on.

Any opinions/insights on the lists are welcome. Though I would encourage that you discuss them on their respective threads unless a more general topic. Also note that this list excludes deities, that the ancient Sith Lords have not been considered for this list due to lack of information, and Darth Nihilus also because he was a natural phenomena and not a corporeal entity.

The REAL Most Powerful Force Users

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Caedus
5. Sith Emperor
6. Darth Plagueis
7. Galen Marek
8. Master Fay
9. Exar Kun
10. Darth Vader

The REAL Most Powerful Jedi

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Master Fay
4. Jaina Solo
5. Mace Windu
6. Revan
7. Meetra Surik
8. Kyp Durron
9. Satele Shan
10. Saba Sebatyne

The REAL Most Powerful Sith

1. Darth Sidious
2. Darth Caedus
3. Sith Emperor
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Exar Kun
6. Darth Vader
7. Darth Krayt
8. Darth Traya
9. Darth Malgus
10. Darth Bane

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Below is a list of formal comparisons that have been over the course of the series. For information concerning the categories I'd refer you to this Wookieepedia page.

Darth Plagueis, Exar Kun & Mace Windu

Meetra Surik & Satele Shan

Saba Sebatyne & Revan

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Revan & Satele Shan

Darth Malgus & Darth Traya

Exar Kun & Vader

Darth Caedus & The Sith Emperor

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The REAL Most Powerful Lightsaber Duelists

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Mace Windu
4. Darth Caedus
5. Darth Sidious
6. Jaina Solo
7. Exar Kun
8. Darth Vader
9. Count Dooku
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi

The REAL Most Powerful Jedi Lightsaber Duelists

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Mace Windu
4. Jaina Solo
5. Obi-Wan Kenobi
6. Raskta Lsu
7. Vodo-Siosk Baas
8. Kol Skywalker
9. Corran Horn
10. Shaak Ti

The REAL Most Powerful Sith Lightsaber Duelists

1. Darth Caedus
2. Darth Sidious
3. Exar Kun
4. Darth Vader
5. Count Dooku
6. Darth Maul
7. Blademaster Kas'im
8. Darth Krayt
9. Ulic Qel-Droma
10. Darth Bane

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Also take a look at a collaborative essay put together by myself and our resident historian, Aurbere, demonstrating that Darth Sidious as opposed to the Sith Emperor is the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history.

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ExarKunxx
07.16.2013 , 02:36 PM | #2
IMO The Sith Emperor should be the 2nd greatest Force user of all time because he dominated the minds of over 8000 Sith lords at once and then made himself immortal by devouring a planet through the force. Darth Nihilus is also in the discussion because he used the force to drain Katarr and thousands of Jedi Masters of the force. And had she been able to execute her plan without interference, Darth Traya would have to go up their because she figured out a way to destroy the force. That is powerful IMO opinion. Also for the Jedi shouldn't the Hero of Tython be up there as well?

You should also add a top ten lightsaber users and a top ten Sith

Mine would be

Sith
1. Sidious
2. Vitiate
3. Bane
4. Traya
5. Exar Kun
6. Marka Ragnos
7. Darth Revan
8. Naga Sadow
9. Darth Nihilus
10. Freedon Nadd
Taero

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Beniboybling
07.16.2013 , 03:31 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by ExarKunxx View Post
IMO The Sith Emperor should be the 2nd greatest Force user of all time because he dominated the minds of over 8000 Sith lords at once and then made himself immortal by devouring a planet through the force. Darth Nihilus is also in the discussion because he used the force to drain Katarr and thousands of Jedi Masters of the force. And had she been able to execute her plan without interference, Darth Traya would have to go up their because she figured out a way to destroy the force. That is powerful IMO opinion. Also for the Jedi shouldn't the Hero of Tython be up there as well?

You should also add a top ten lightsaber users and a top ten Sith

Mine would be

Sith
1. Sidious
2. Vitiate
3. Bane
4. Traya
5. Exar Kun
6. Marka Ragnos
7. Darth Revan
8. Naga Sadow
9. Darth Nihilus
10. Freedon Nadd
I'm confident that Darth Caedus is more powerful than the Sith Emperor as it was said he would have surpassed Luke Skywalker within a year and was already very powerful in his own right. Nihilus isn't being considered here it should be noted because his power came from the fact he was a wound in the Force, it was not his own. And the Hero of Tython because of lack of information.

Anyway, a list concerning Sith Lords is being complied as we speak.

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Wolfninjajedi
07.16.2013 , 03:35 PM | #4
Aww...I was hoping this was gonna be another list only of Super weapons. Sadness..
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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marcelo_sdk
07.16.2013 , 06:43 PM | #5
I didn't considered Nihilus until now cause I don't think he has a place among the 10 most powerful Force-users. But narrowing to only the Sith, he's absolutely on the run. Remember, even cutted off from his Force Drain power, he was still more powerful than Surik, the 8th most powerful Jedi of all times. It's clearly stated that, without the help of Mandalore and Visass Marr, Nihilus would have defeated Surik.

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ArenCordial
07.16.2013 , 08:54 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I'm confident that Darth Caedus is more powerful than the Sith Emperor as it was said he would have surpassed Luke Skywalker within a year and was already very powerful in his own right. Nihilus isn't being considered here it should be noted because his power came from the fact he was a wound in the Force, it was not his own. And the Hero of Tython because of lack of information.

Anyway, a list concerning Sith Lords is being complied as we speak.
Do you really believe Caedus would have surpassed Luke in a years time? I find that hard to believe. Caedus was certainly a threat and had reached the top tier power level, but take Luke no. I understand the authors need to make Caedus a serious threat but Luke was way more the prodigy than Caedus. Hell six and half years of training after he really started his force training and Luke was going toe to toe with the Reborn Emperor. Jacen minus his one with the Force moment (which he could not control as it was Force directed) had nothing close in his list of accomplishments even by the end of the Yuzzhan Vong war and he'd been training in earnest for 9 years by then.

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Luckeyduckey
07.16.2013 , 09:30 PM | #7
Is Galen Marek not considered a Jedi? Also, what about Marka Ragnos, Karness Murr, or Ulic Qel-Droma?

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Jandi
07.16.2013 , 10:58 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Luckeyduckey View Post
Is Galen Marek not considered a Jedi? Also, what about Marka Ragnos, Karness Murr, or Ulic Qel-Droma?
Read the novelization version of TFU, where his powers are greatly diminished from the games. He is rather average.

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Jandi
07.16.2013 , 11:01 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by ArenCordial View Post
Do you really believe Caedus would have surpassed Luke in a years time? I find that hard to believe. Caedus was certainly a threat and had reached the top tier power level, but take Luke no. I understand the authors need to make Caedus a serious threat but Luke was way more the prodigy than Caedus. Hell six and half years of training after he really started his force training and Luke was going toe to toe with the Reborn Emperor. Jacen minus his one with the Force moment (which he could not control as it was Force directed) had nothing close in his list of accomplishments even by the end of the Yuzzhan Vong war and he'd been training in earnest for 9 years by then.
Have to agree here. Even he himself said that he had no chance against Luke and indeed, Luke demolished him when they fought. If Ben wasn't there, Caedus would have never left the room.

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AlexDougherty
07.17.2013 , 02:19 AM | #10
um, you people are missing the point.

These lists have already been debated, the title at the top of the list is the thread in this forum were the lists were hammered out.

Beniboybling is not going to debate them with you, the debate has already happened.
Peace can be found, above all passions. Through passion, I may gain strength.
Through strength, I may gain power. Through power, I may gain victory.
But for every enemy fallen, a new foe rises.
For every chain broken, new chains bind me. Only the Force can set me free.