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Abeloth in the SW:TOR


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pbajnokl
05.21.2013 , 01:23 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by October View Post
If you've read the FotJ series you'd know she was considerably weak then, which was why she was pretty much leeching off the crazed Jedi.

But Abeloth was a Force entity, rather than simple Jedi or Sith, so it isn't really fair to compare them.

Besides that, her powers were those of The Ones, and Anakin was able to overpower the Twin Dieties on his own, and Luke is more powerful than Anakin, so with that logic, I guess it makes sense that Luke was able to defeat her.
Luke was just better trained but Vader was the stronger in the force!

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tunewalker
05.21.2013 , 04:46 AM | #12
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Luke was just better trained but Vader was the stronger in the force!
Luke is Anakin's power realized that's the last I heard..... both had the same potential but only Luke reached that potential.

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Aurbere
05.21.2013 , 08:59 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by pbajnokl View Post
Have u read my link? never said our characters alone (or together with republic and empire united) could defeat Abeloth. Just put abeloth back in her prison with the help of the Son and Daugther while in this short time empire and repubic unite their forces like luke and darth krayt did.

Edit.: btw Luke neve had the chance to figth against ableoth with the help of the Son and Daugther since they were dead for a while. Just think some daily quest chain where as a republic player get daily event quests where she gift u mind protection or whatever protection(and same for the empire with the son) and tadaa... no vessel for abeloth. Man use ur imagination...
This is what you said:

Quote:
But what if in the TOR area she is escaped and the Republic with the help of the Daugther and the Empire with the help of the Son defeats her and imprison her again in a FP or OP?
Emphasis mine.

Defeating Abeloth is not a simple task, and you make no mention of the Father. It takes the three of them to stop her.

Mind protection? She can possess whoever she wants. She doesn't have to limit herself to our characters. She can find someone else.

But how do you suggest we stop her from EFFORTLESSLY destroying our characters. She could consume the characters via Force Drain. Pummel us with her overwhelming telekinetic powers, powers that can make beings implode. Destroy us with Force Lightning. Teleport to evade our attacks, or use Tutaminis to reflect them back.

Seriously. You ask that I use my imagination. I'm being a realist. There's nothing our characters can do here. We would be spectators watching a grand battle between beings with power that we cannot even begin to comprehend.

The only way for our characters to actually pose a threat to Abeloth is if they all had the power of Luke Skywalker. But they don't.
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WillCaedes
05.21.2013 , 09:45 AM | #14
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I've got a pet theory that the Terror from Beyond actually IS Abeloth
I've been thinking that myself, that Bioware gave a nod to the latest series and put it in as maybe a teaser or something. Either way hidden bosses are awesome.
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Wolfninjajedi
05.21.2013 , 10:14 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by revensix View Post
I think I have a question, what makes Luke so strong, I keep hearing people praise the Skywalker line as the strongest, but the main ones people talk about never really faced as big of threats as they could.

I get that they are main peeps in the movies and some books, but have they really earned the right to be hailed as the best, or do the people often hailing em just misinformed?

Being 100% honest, it has just been bothering me as of late.
Besides the fact that its stated pretty much everywhere as Luke being the strongest? Though not everyone in the Skywalker line is uber strong, some are just really exceptional Jedi.
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pbajnokl
05.21.2013 , 10:28 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
This is what you said:



Emphasis mine.

Defeating Abeloth is not a simple task, and you make no mention of the Father. It takes the three of them to stop her.

Mind protection? She can possess whoever she wants. She doesn't have to limit herself to our characters. She can find someone else.

But how do you suggest we stop her from EFFORTLESSLY destroying our characters. She could consume the characters via Force Drain. Pummel us with her overwhelming telekinetic powers, powers that can make beings implode. Destroy us with Force Lightning. Teleport to evade our attacks, or use Tutaminis to reflect them back.

Seriously. You ask that I use my imagination. I'm being a realist. There's nothing our characters can do here. We would be spectators watching a grand battle between beings with power that we cannot even begin to comprehend.

The only way for our characters to actually pose a threat to Abeloth is if they all had the power of Luke Skywalker. But they don't.
U are really dont want to defeat her in any ways because u don't WANT TO, even underestimate our characters even with the help of the Son,Daugther (and ur rigth I forgot the father)but i understand that... Abeloth is ur favourite villian and u dont want any1 else (beside luke) to defeat her... its OK. But I agree with 1 thing "She can possess whoever she wants. She doesn't have to limit herself to our characters. She can find someone else." I can't argue with that. But that's ur ONLY reason what I can accept (with a hard feeling because as u said there is the father too... and writers can give any power to him, like protect every living being in the galaxy. The writers just have to write down). be happy

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Aurbere
05.21.2013 , 10:37 AM | #17
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U are really dont want to defeat her in any ways because u don't WANT TO, even underestimate our characters even with the help of the Son,Daugther (and ur rigth I forgot the father)but i understand that... Abeloth is ur favourite villian and u dont want any1 else (beside luke) to defeat her... its OK. But I agree with 1 thing "She can possess whoever she wants. She doesn't have to limit herself to our characters. She can find someone else." I can't argue with that. But that's ur ONLY reason what I can accept (with a hard feeling because as u said there is the father too... and writers can give any power to him, like protect every living being in the galaxy. The writers just have to write down). be happy
Favorite villain? I despise Abeloth and The Ones since I first saw them in the Mortis Arc.

I'm simply being a realist. Only the Ones and Luke Skywalker can beat her. And Luke can only do it because he's Grand Plot Armor Luke Skywalker.

Abeloth's power in the Dark Side would make Sidious wet his pants. She is twelve times more powerful than Luke Skywalker. Our characters can't do anything to hurt her. Ben Skywalker hit her with enough force to knock a friate out of orbit, and she was barely hurt by it. What can our characters do to top that?

Even if the Father did something to protect everybody from her, they still can't do anything to hurt her. Our characters are minor nuisances unworthy of her attention. The Ones and Luke are the only ones with the power to stop her.

It's time to face facts. Even if our characters had The Ones for backup, they still can't hurt her. Having The Ones bring our characters to fight Abeloth is pointless because only The Ones are going to able to do something to her.
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pbajnokl
05.21.2013 , 11:41 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Favorite villain? I despise Abeloth and The Ones since I first saw them in the Mortis Arc.

I'm simply being a realist. Only the Ones and Luke Skywalker can beat her. And Luke can only do it because he's Grand Plot Armor Luke Skywalker.

Abeloth's power in the Dark Side would make Sidious wet his pants. She is twelve times more powerful than Luke Skywalker. Our characters can't do anything to hurt her. Ben Skywalker hit her with enough force to knock a friate out of orbit, and she was barely hurt by it. What can our characters do to top that?

Even if the Father did something to protect everybody from her, they still can't do anything to hurt her. Our characters are minor nuisances unworthy of her attention. The Ones and Luke are the only ones with the power to stop her.

It's time to face facts. Even if our characters had The Ones for backup, they still can't hurt her. Having The Ones bring our characters to fight Abeloth is pointless because only The Ones are going to able to do something to her.
Or we can do story quests on alderan with killiks or go rigth to mortis to make some armor and weapon what can hurt abeloth, and when the time has come the daugther can can increase our deffense agaist abeloth and the son channels his power to us, so even the non-force users can hurt her... and there we are a capable army to defeat abeloth... it's all about story telling, and even u dont know how strong can be the jedi and sith with the help of the Ones.

Edit.: Did I mention to use ur imagination?

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Aurbere
05.21.2013 , 11:57 AM | #19
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Edit.: Did I mention to use ur imagination?
Whatever.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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pbajnokl
05.21.2013 , 12:20 PM | #20
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Whatever.
Btw when I made this forum here (and in suggestion box) i said to write any other ides how it should be done... at least i meant that. But with u I on my back I had to found out a complete boss figth with tactics and cinematics at the end. But I always enjoy oppose u. wanna talk about Revan now or how Luke died?