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I fear for the future of this game.

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CaptRavenous
05.12.2013 , 02:04 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
Yes, they stabilised ... below 500k, whereas before they were below 1m and above 500k.

Sorry for not wearing EA-PR glasses absorbing all that rosy ideology
I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where they said "below 500k".

Could you point that out? I can be slow on the pickup, sometimes.
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aeterno
05.12.2013 , 02:05 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
Subs are below 500k (they were somewhere between 500k and 1mil last quarter), so falling, revenues doubled because of CM, meaning the focus will be more and more on CM aka bullcrap.

Yes, I fear for the future of this game as well - more dribble in the form of S&V and re-skinned armor sold for real money, not to mention patches like 2.1 entirely focused on CM.
Reality is that if the only thing we now have to worry about are reskinned money grabs and digital expansions then thats a tidal wave of good news.

6months back the subscriber numbers bottomed out (at allegedly 350k) and the game was omitted from any and all mention by EA. Now it's around 500k subs, still growing and supplemented with a healthy enough f2p revenue stream to warrant a pat on the back for being one of the largetst successes of said model from the publisher which happens to be the biggest in the biz.

So yea, if recolored armor and miniexpansions with one raids (I dont get the s&v jibe at all btw, easily the largest/best op they did?) are the only thing I have to worry about now we had a tempest of cute kittens cos this time last month I was half way resigned to this game going the way of warhammer online with its maintenance mode wait for a slow slow death.

Now I got a positive trend, positive forecast and a renewed commitment to continued support and development I can actually place faith into cos it makes fiscal sense for the publisher to back it as the game is making them good money.

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Wefi
05.12.2013 , 02:09 PM | #23
Heck
Taking from experience.

The Devs are getting into a groove of things. We'll see some cool stuff.
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Voxx_Voltaare
05.12.2013 , 02:10 PM | #24
STO is about a year ahead of TOR and went F2P as well and they are still around. Frankly I'm kind of surprised because I stopped playing long ago. But as long as you have a core player base and make enough to keep the lights on, it will keep on trucking.
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chuixupu
05.12.2013 , 02:16 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Killance View Post
Having over 6 million copies sold when this game came out
Just to get the facts straight, it sold about 3 million, not 6.

When EVE recently hit 500k subs, the news was all OMG WOW EVE Hit 500k subs! This is spectacular!

And then when WoW's subs drop vrom 10 million to 8.5 million everyone is like "OMG WOW IS DYING!"

mmo people are funny.
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CaptRavenous
05.12.2013 , 02:17 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
Reality is that if the only thing we now have to worry about are reskinned money grabs and digital expansions then thats a tidal wave of good news.

6months back the subscriber numbers bottomed out (at allegedly 350k) and the game was omitted from any and all mention by EA. Now it's around 500k subs, still growing and supplemented with a healthy enough f2p revenue stream to warrant a pat on the back for being one of the largetst successes of said model from the publisher which happens to be the biggest in the biz.

So yea, if recolored armor and miniexpansions with one raids (I dont get the s&v jibe at all btw, easily the largest/best op they did?) are the only thing I have to worry about now we had a tempest of cute kittens cos this time last month I was half way resigned to this game going the way of warhammer online with its maintenance mode wait for a slow slow death.

Now I got a positive trend, positive forecast and a renewed commitment to continued support and development I can actually place faith into cos it makes fiscal sense for the publisher to back it as the game is making them good money.
If the game IS steadily gaining subscribers, then its only a matter of time before we exceed 500k subs again, if not already. They said something like 2 or 3 million new accounts created since F2P. I would imagine at least 5% of those are new subscriptions, and that's probably a VERY conservative number. The majority of the new accounts are probably preferred accounts, people who have either spent some money on the CM from a F2P account, or fickle subscribers, subscribing for a month or two to check out the new expansion.

Eventually, if they keep working to improve the game, then we'll snag more and more subscribers as time goes by.

EVE online had a small start. 10 years later, they're sill online and seeing steady growth over time.

Maybe SW:TOR will be the first F2P MMO to do so, who knows? There's MANY MMOs that have done MUCH worse than SW:TOR has, or has yet to do.
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Tsillah
05.12.2013 , 02:17 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Krewel View Post
Subs are below 500k (they were somewhere between 500k and 1mil last quarter), so falling, revenues doubled because of CM, meaning the focus will be more and more on CM aka bullcrap.

Yes, I fear for the future of this game as well - more dribble in the form of S&V and re-skinned armor sold for real money, not to mention patches like 2.1 entirely focused on CM.
You guys are funny. You assume that you were told when they hit their minimum with subs. Of course they didn't. Subs hit rock bottom at some point and have stabilised now. Add to that the cartel shop and the game is in good shape again. It is going up again as far as the game's health is concerned.

Add to that the fact that EA signed an exclusive deal with Disney so only they can bring out Star Wars games and you can safely say that SWTOR is in much better shape than it was 6 months ago.

WoW aside, no game has ever been able to maintain millions of subs. They were the lucky ones to be there at the right time.

This game has had some real lows but I wonder why the OP is posting this. He hasn't got a clue obviously about the numbers to begin with and also you seem to miss what is going on. When they dived under a million subs, well, that was a while ago. It obviously didn't stop then. Now the game is doing better. What an odd time to start a thread like this....or is the OP just trolling?
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CaptRavenous
05.12.2013 , 02:19 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
You guys are funny. You assume that you were told when they hit their minimum with subs. Of course they didn't. Subs hit rock bottom at some point and have stabilised now. Add to that the cartel shop and the game is in good shape again. It is going up again as far as the game's health is concerned.

Add to that the fact that EA signed an exclusive deal with Disney so only they can bring out Star Wars games and you can safely say that SWTOR is in much better shape than it was 6 months ago.

WoW aside, no game has ever been able to maintain millions of subs. They were the lucky ones to be there at the right time.

This game has had some real lows but I wonder why the OP is posting this. He hasn't got a clue obviously about the numbers to begin with and also you seem to miss what is going on. When they dived under a million subs, well, that was a while ago. It obviously didn't stop then. Now the game is doing better. What an odd time to start a thread like this....or is the OP just trolling?
Trying to rock the boat, maybe.
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Levity
05.12.2013 , 02:22 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by ScarecrowES View Post
When a game goes F2P, traditionally revenues go up. This is because most people on this planet are stupid, and are more willing to pay more for something if it's presented in inexpensive little chunks than they are to pay slightly more for it up front. It's like saying you can buy a 12-pack of 20oz sodas for $6, or single 16oz sodas for $1 each.

Some people will say "Hell, I'm going to drink 12 sodas anyway, and $6 isn't a bad price, so let's just go ahead and get the 12-pack. Besides, I even get a bigger soda in the deal, which is cool" Other people say "I'm not paying $6 for a whole 12-pack of soda! What a rip off!" But they'll then proceed to buy and consume 12 sodas anyway, because eventually they get thirsty again, pay double the price for them, and get less soda overall than a person who just paid his due up front. And this person is generally content to do just that, and most often feels like he's actually making out on the deal.

Generally speaking, F2P players spend significantly more on average per player to play the game than subscription players do, and they do so despite a perception that they're saving money. And although you hear a lot of grumbling about it, players LOVE to participate in microtransactions. Well, "love" is probably not the right word... but still, they do it over and over and over even if they're not particularly fond of doing so. And you know who eats up microtransactions more than anyone else? F2P players.

Hell, as long as there is a strong F2P community in this game, it will keep going for a looooong time. I'd fear for the day when most F2P players finally wake up and realize they could just be paying less to sub.
Eh, those same players will subscribe, then continue to buy CM stuff.

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CosmicKat
05.12.2013 , 02:24 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRavenous View Post
Its worked well for Lord of the Rings Online.
I didn't say it can't work, I've seen it work firsthand in Champions Online.

What CO did though was to modify the game from what initially failed and add in the F2P revenue stream.

TOR has not modified the core that originally failed. It would not be a leap to assume that what initially could not retain customers, will still not be able to retain customers.