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Warzones Unbearable on Harbinger

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Warzones Unbearable on Harbinger

oldninja's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 03:44 AM | #1
I'd like to start off by saying that I'm a subscriber, and have been since the beginning, but I harbor no ill will against non-subscribers - I think you guys are great, and it's thrilling to see the servers so populated. I'm not really sure what the rules are when it comes to ftp players and warzones, though. Anyway:

I'd like to think that I put a decent amount of time into playing swtor. I have mostly basic PvE gear, and some decent PvP gear. I play exclusively on the Harbinger server. My only 55 character is a Sentinel. Since I learned about Bioware's new "PvE is PvP" philosophy, I pretty much just use the basic gear when playing warzones. Overall, I think the zones themselves are well designed - cool concepts, good atmosphere, etc. The problem I've had with PvP play right from the start, however, is twofold: (1) I seem to get cc'd by Imperial players constantly, resulting in near-instadeath for the majority of my PvP play, and (2) most Imperials can kill me in a few hits regardless of cc abilities, while I can do little to no damage to them due to some magic shields they have (this applies to almost all of them).

The result of this (and I see it happening to other Republic players as well) is a highly mismatched Warzone experience. Imperial players tend to dominate the field by themselves, let alone in a team - just today I saw a sith player in the huttball zone ignore damage from 5 or 6 other players and make a score, maintaining a nearly constant health level. This has soured my taste for PvP play, as well as for Imperial characters in general (my own included - playing as an Imp just feels cheap now, and I haven't done it in months).

Maybe I keep getting matched up against pre-made teams. Maybe I keep getting matched up against players who do nothing but play PvP (if so, that's kind of sad). Maybe I'm doing something wrong, or maybe the Sentinel is just a terrible PvP class. It doesn't matter. It doesn't take a genius to tell the PvP experience (at least on Harbinger) is highly uneven, and from some of the reading I've done, this holds across more than one server. This is very disappointing, and has made me consider on more than one occasion revoking my status as a subscriber.

There needs to be a separate bracket for pre-made teams. The queue needs to match people up according to effectiveness in PvP, rather than randomly. ME3 has a good system, in my opinion - maybe take a leaf out of their book? And to any players who are considering telling me that "the classes are mirrored, so it's even" - I'm calling your bulldung (you know the word I really mean). I have one interrupt, one cc, and one cc break ability. All prove useless in PvP, and I certainly don't have a shield of any kind.

shyroman's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 04:35 AM | #2
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Fallenenjeru's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 05:00 AM | #3
Not my server,but I just wanted to commend you on spelling your server name correctly . The amount of times I see it written down on these forums as the HarbRinger
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TheOldHermit's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 06:34 AM | #4
Hmmm... It's possible that Sith was me (Darth Maher - Immortal spec'd Juggernaut). If so, that was one of the most unbalanced huttball winning experiences I've ever had against a republic team and no the imp team wasn't a premade. In my experience on this server, the Republic usual fields better teams in unranked warzones (always have multiple healers, usual a tank, a stealther, etc). Everyone's warzone experience is highly at the mercy of the queuing system. Sometimes you get teamed up with a bunch of terrible players that ignore the objectives against a highly effective pre-made and sometimes the match-up is very even. If you find yourself on an unlucky streak, then it's best to take a break and try again later (or team up with players you know are decent).

I'd also suggest trying different classes to learn what their strengths and weaknesses are. If you're curious about how that Sith Juggernaut (I'm assuming it was a jug) soaked up so much damage, then role one (or a Jedi Guardian) and try out the tanking tree. You'll quickly realize how they do it and also what to do to counter them.

Piewalker_AK's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 06:35 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Fallenenjeru View Post
Not my server,but I just wanted to commend you on spelling your server name correctly . The amount of times I see it written down on these forums as the HarbRinger
he actually meant HardBinger
Luminara (Sage) / Ghedina (Guardian) / Nyráh (Sentinel)
So they're using the planet's resources to make changing gear sound nice...

Xarimath's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 07:54 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by oldninja View Post
Bla bla bla HUGEWALL OF TEXT, or maybe the Sentinel is just a terrible PvP class. I

Talking seriously, sentinel is one of the goodest PvP classes so far :P Maybe lacks of knockbacks, that in certain situations are really useful, but you have awesome defensive CD and good/sustained DPS.

First of All, pug vs premade, there is no game, unless pugs knows what to do and they can perform really well with their class.

Anyway, watch some video on youtube, consults forum and try always different things in PvP. Remember that you can't solo Win a WZ (unless you're an Assassin/Shadow, trololol) it's always a teamwork and try to care about objective than DPS/Big Numberz at the end of the scoreboard
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mshester's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 08:01 AM | #7
Dear Commisioner Goodell, I can't solo Adrian Peterson, please nerf him
/signed, free safety X

SpaceAlert's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 08:29 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by oldninja View Post
Since I learned about Bioware's new "PvE is PvP" philosophy, I pretty much just use the basic gear when playing warzones.

Bolster just makes it so you don't get one-shot. Buy some gear.

Trevormortis's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 08:57 AM | #9
being from the same server, I can say the consensus is that pubs are better in the morning, imps in the evening.

also, if you are having trouble, you can go watch youtube vids or twitch feeds of sentinels to see if they are doing things you are not, if so, that might help.
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Caoboi's Avatar

05.07.2013 , 09:23 AM | #10
Some one died in pvp again?

Sorry i couldnt help it but yea pre-made vs pugs is not good for the soul. What i have noticed with instanced pvp (warzones, battlegrounds, scenarios) is that the tide always changes. To you it seems Empire is winning every match and that my be the case, but hang in ther next week it will be Republic opening a can of whoopass.
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