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PVE Healing Is Undertuned And Boring


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Mookind
05.02.2013 , 10:43 AM | #11
LoL you guys seriously think people won't be able to solo heal HM S&V with the min maxed underworld?

I'm pretty good at this game, but I'm sure there are straight up machines out there who go whole raids without miscasting. These guys have been capable of solo healing SM since day 1 of the expansion. And will be able to rape HM styrack without any issue as soon as they min max. If I am good enough to solo heal the 2nd boss in HM S&V then I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who can do much more

HM EC in 1.2 didn't have that problem. Revamp the dmg BW

Edit - Before some one chimes in about the glitch on Kephess, no i'm not referring to that...

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Gyronamics
05.02.2013 , 10:52 AM | #12
Get out of SM and do HM TFB/SV and NiM EC.

Here's a fight parse from this morning when I risked queuing for GF SV SM and the ops fell apart after just one boss:

http://www.torparse.com/a/205160/2/0/Damage+Dealt

Roughly 45% of Dash'Roode and 53% of the Womp Rats?

SM is set for randoms. Experienced and geared players cruise through it.

If you cant be bothered to get into organised PVE then there's no point going on about SM being easy.
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mikebevo
05.02.2013 , 11:02 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Mookind View Post
LoL you guys seriously think people won't be able to solo heal HM S&V with the min maxed underworld?
Not without a decent group.

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Mookind
05.02.2013 , 11:04 AM | #14
As I said.....I cleared HM TFB and SV on the PTS....and on live

And have filled in for raids for my guild, while I am not an official "raider" i do it profeciently and we basically have about 8 hardcore raiders then the rest of us just fill in as needed.

With me and another healer most fights are extremely boring

The first fight is a joke him HM, easily solo able by an op, maybe a little off healing if you get ported but you're normally only a few rolls away.

2nd, is rough.This one i have actually solo healed because our other healer DC'd at the start of the fight. Rough but the dmg is spread evenly and it is very easy to keep your tank up in the last phase. It wasn't clean, but it could have been if i had played better and known more about the boss.

3rd fight, easy mode heals. I don't think most healers will have issues here with a little coordination. The med pacs up top make this very simple.

4th is the color boss? I assume running 2 dps on one of the groups is viable but I'm not really sure. Might need an off healer for the first phase. Definitely soloable in teh last phase

The puzzle is easy as **** to heal, i respec deeps for the last phase since the first time we downed it.

The 4 bosses are also relatively easy to heal. This one is chaotic so it's more about how well coordinated your group is. Assuming some of our unnamed snipers doesn't decide that I should heal through everything so he can keep dpsing we could do that fine too.

Styrak is where teh real problem is. There are just too many burst phases and not enough energy. When the dragon rolls and throws spikes, the 4 add phase, and the aoe lightning dmg. I think it's definitely possible but you would need to be a machine to do it in the gear I'm in. Soon tho

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Mookind
05.02.2013 , 11:04 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by mikebevo View Post
Not without a decent group.
Well yes obviously a healer can't carry through enrage or not responding too mechanics. It's not that easy lol

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ellenbec
05.02.2013 , 11:20 AM | #16
Truthfully, I stopped reading after he said he was an Op healer. Nuff said
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05.02.2013 , 12:04 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Mookind View Post
The first fight is a joke him HM, easily solo able by an op, maybe a little off healing if you get ported but you're normally only a few rolls away.
There's usually a lot of raid damage on this fight unless you have 4 ranged DPS (and even then). With a good group though, I could see this being solo healable as an operative. Would be pretty tough as a merc.

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2nd, is rough.This one i have actually solo healed because our other healer DC'd at the start of the fight. Rough but the dmg is spread evenly and it is very easy to keep your tank up in the last phase. It wasn't clean, but it could have been if i had played better and known more about the boss.
The hardest part is Lots of Missiles if your tanks are doing their job. If your tanks aren't doing their job with precision, then everything gets dramatically more difficult. The nice thing about Lots of Missiles though is you have plenty of time to catch up again. Operatives are probably best for this, since their "AoE" is just "spreading the HoTs".

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3rd fight, easy mode heals. I don't think most healers will have issues here with a little coordination. The med pacs up top make this very simple.
Clearly you haven't done this fight on live. The medpacs were removed.

This is the most damage-intensive fight in the entire operation (including Styrak). The tank will take an *absurd* amount of damage, and whatever DPS/tank who goes up on the wall will also take a very high amount of damage from the snipers. Looking at my healer's logs, I'm very confident that you cannot solo heal this fight, even with a well-geared and coordinated group. You simply can't put out enough HPS.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mookind View Post
4th is the color boss? I assume running 2 dps on one of the groups is viable but I'm not really sure. Might need an off healer for the first phase. Definitely soloable in teh last phase
Send the healer to Green. Nothing else puts out enough damage to be a problem. You'll need off-cleanses for the boss at the end, and using assassin/juggernaut tanks will help a lot by removing the Terminate mechanic.

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The puzzle is easy as **** to heal, i respec deeps for the last phase since the first time we downed it.
It's not too bad if you have good tanks. That's really what this boss comes down to. If your tanks aren't extremely sharp, this fight is hell to heal. Oh, also it helps to have an advantageous puzzle. Being forced to leave Frontliner/Recon droids up increases the raid damage dramatically.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mookind View Post
The 4 bosses are also relatively easy to heal. This one is chaotic so it's more about how well coordinated your group is. Assuming some of our unnamed snipers doesn't decide that I should heal through everything so he can keep dpsing we could do that fine too.
The tanks need to kite (rather than just taking Tu'chuk to the face), and you will need to have immensely coordinated DPS. Having all ranged would help a lot, since you wouldn't have to worry about Fixate mistakes or more than one person getting Explosive Surged. The early phases in the fight would be hard, but everything else would be easy. I would honestly rather do it as a merc than as an operative though.

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Styrak is where teh real problem is. There are just too many burst phases and not enough energy. When the dragon rolls and throws spikes, the 4 add phase, and the aoe lightning dmg. I think it's definitely possible but you would need to be a machine to do it in the gear I'm in. Soon tho
Uh…? We *do* one heal this fight in hard mode. Our sage picks up the brunt of the healing while our commando healer basically just DPSes and off-heals whenever it's really needed (I think his HPS was in the low teens, and the sage was hardly going all-out). With precise tanking, the damage in this fight is a joke until the soft enrage. Once you get to the soft enrage, things are very difficult, but just make sure you have your Adrenaline Probe available and HoTs on everything and you'll do just fine.
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Koordynator
05.02.2013 , 12:53 PM | #18
OP, Can I be your fan please? You must be awesome!

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Tmanarl
05.02.2013 , 01:03 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by ellenbec View Post
Truthfully, I stopped reading after he said he was an Op healer. Nuff said
Exactly. As soon as we found out he was an op healer, we instantly knew what a great and talented player he must be. Op healers rule.
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Mookind
05.02.2013 , 01:42 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Tmanarl View Post
Exactly. As soon as we found out he was an op healer, we instantly knew what a great and talented player he must be. Op healers rule.
I have a sorc and a jug tank i play better than you too, lol