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Why are some buffs/passives...so...well, weak?

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Why are some buffs/passives...so...well, weak?

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steave
04.30.2013 , 08:42 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by ZoeTuah View Post
Percentiles have exponential gains to linear input. Consider the Balance Shadow talent that gives 2% damage reduction.

Say you have 20% damage reduction and get the talent to reach 22%. Your time to live goes from 125% to 128.21%

Now say you have 50% and go to 52%. your time to live goes from 200% to 208.33%. You're gaining 8.33 seconds of life rather than just 3.21. More than double the value.

It may not sound like much, but put all of these together and you get a lot more out of them.
Better expressed (imo) as:
20->22% takes you from 80->78% damage taken, a 2.5% damage reduction.
50->52 takes you from 50->48% damage taken, a 4% damage reduction.


On the other hand though, numbers like crit goes the other way. Assuming crits do 100% more damage for easy math:
20->22% takes you from 120->122% damage done, a 1.6666...% increase
50->52 takes you from 150->152% damage done, a 1.3333...% increase.
This is of course of-set by low surge on low levels though, but the point is that reduction values give a larger and larger boost the larger the percentage values grow, while additive values have the opposite effect.

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Dallayna
05.08.2013 , 10:57 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
MMOs are all about small things adding up into something great.
That's how I pick skills/buffs/etc/whatever. The way I figure it is that the numbers are always going to look underwhelming to me because they always have regardless of whatever game I'm playing so I've gotten into the habit over the years of not worrying about them but looking at whether or not I use the power that the skill/buff/etc/whatever is affecting with any regularity. And, that's worked out pretty well for me over the years.

I mean, I basically just trust that all of the alpha and beta testers have determined that those 10 extra points in "Fluff-i-nating attack" stacks pretty well with the extra 2% range to my "Fluff-zone" and the 20% chance for a "Sequence Flumeister Beta secondary attack" later on down the line- because, usually? It does.

May not max out anything but I've never had anything that wasn't playable either.

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SW_display_name
05.08.2013 , 02:16 PM | #13
I think it also helps reduce the delta between good and mediocre players in most situations.

In WoW you have a problem where the passives / buffs are absolutely huge, so the deltas between "full buffs" and "properly spec'd" and "good rotation" and stuff are much sharper. The content has to be balanced accordingly; "easy" content has to be very close to braindead due to the huge gaps between skilled and unskilled players.

Here, the gaps between a player playing very well and attentively, and a player just sort of bumbling along, are smaller. This allows "easy" content to be designed with less looseness devoted just to compensating for totally clueless players (since their contribution is relatively "bigger" here). But, "hard" content can still be tuned tightly enough to make those smaller % gaps suddenly become relevant enough to be significant.

So, I think it helps make content aimed at casually-minded players more consistent and interesting while still allowing difficult content to filter out weaker players from the most dedicated.

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Valdrius
05.09.2013 , 11:22 PM | #14
Focued Leap (far left in the link) needs 2 skill points to give one extra focus per 12 seconds, or 13.5/15 seconds if Blurred Speed isn't maxed. So every 24 seconds i can use an extra slash(and that is assuming focused slash is maxed out and enough focus is available to activate it), yipee : /
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