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The Doomed Sith Empire


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Highborne
04.26.2013 , 03:23 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by BradTheImpaler View Post
So from what I've been hearing, by the point in the timeline of "March to Makeb", the Republic has won "a few key victories", some of which are obvious, i.e. Balmorra. But where are the Empire's victories?

What are my fellow Imps' thoughts on this predictable turn of events? Even though we all know who ultimately wins, is there any hope of breaking through the Republic plot armor for a few decades/centuries, or is it just going to be a one-way ticket to defeat?

In other words---the Emperor's gone. Malgus is gone. Corellia is lost. Balmorra is lost. Probably most of the other planets are lost. What has the Empire actually won since the Sacking of Coruscant? It sometimes feels like in the next content update, Republic troopers will be storming Kaas City.
We're not done yet. What has the Empire won? Corellia's still in Republic hands, sure - but it's not going to be adding much to the Republic war effort for a long time to come, and the Green Jedi are gone. On Taris, we cost the Republic quadrillions of credits and a nasty hit to morale, both in the failed rebuilding and in the hidden warfleet that Empire characters destroy on the ground in the Bonus series.

Supreme Chancellor Janarus is either dead having confessed his crimes over the HoloNet (at the hands of DS! Bounty Hunter) or resigned in disgrace (if LS! Bounty Hunter spares him), causing considerable political uncertainty within the Galactic Senate.

And remember: so far, we're still at the point where the Republic is retaking worlds we took off them in the last war. They haven't done any damage yet to core Imperial worlds - the raid on Dromund Kaas was costly for the Republic and didn't inflict any material damage on the Empire's capital, and no other core Imperial world has even been touched.

Further:

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If the Sith will only realise that now is not the time to quarrel among ourselves, this war is still very winnable. And Sith have co-operated before for extended periods of time...such as immediately prior to the Treaty of Coruscant.

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Allronix
04.27.2013 , 12:47 AM | #32
The Greens were a small splinter group of Jedi, and while the blows were struck, their Order still has some survivors. Meanwhile, losing 10% of your forces when you can't afford attrition tactics? Well, that's gotta suck. Losing the Chancelor? Well, the Republic isn't much affected. Clear line of succession was established, and Suresh is a lot more cold-blooded than her predecessor what's-his-name. Oh, and we have a few gaping holes in the Dark Council. Plus, when Malgus decided to start a civil war? Well, the Imps lose one of the only Darths capable of seeing past the tip of his lightsaber and an even larger chunk of military personnel and hardware they couldn't afford. Yeah, Darth Cthulu is looking for a new host, but he's out of play (at least for a while) , and even when he gets back in the game, he's doesn't even give a flying @#!@# about his own Empire! Omnicidal nut, remember?

The Republic gets Balmorra: Nasty bugs (mostly released because some Imperial dimwit wanted to sabotage someone doing a better job than him), lots of pollution, but the BIGGEST intact weapon and droid factories in the Core. The Imperials get Taris: Ruins, Rakghouls, and...not much else. If the Pubs had to throw a planet under the bus, Taris is the one that costs them the least. Yeah, it's a morale loss...but only morale. Now, they can put the credits they were throwing away into something that will actually yield a return on investment - like those wonderfully nasty droid factories.

It's hard to take the Empire seriously when they have lunatics like Lachris and twits like the Bounty Hunter's Balmorran contact running things. It's even harder to take seriously when they don't even have a paved road going from their capitol city to their primary spaceport and the slave labor is set to work building momuments to the Darths' egos instead of infrastructure. Massively misplaced priorities, forces stretched way too thin, boneheaded tactics, and the nutcases in charge are more interested in fighting each other than anything else.

I'm actually disappointed in Bioware here. They did such a GREAT job in Knights 1 with the Empire. There was a logical reason they had the resources and manpower. Uthar and Yuthura explained the Sith Code and the thought process behind it in a way that made sense. Even as over the top as Malak was, he had some logical thought going on. You could see why people followed him to their deaths, and followed Darth Revan into hell. Heck, one of their top-notch writers even got us cheering for Darth freaking Bane. BioWare had a great opportunity to make a case for the Empire, and they blew it on cartoon supervillainy.
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BrianDavion
04.27.2013 , 12:59 AM | #33
is a paved road important when your vehicles fly or hover?

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MelodyofLegends
04.27.2013 , 12:37 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Allronix View Post
Nope. If anything, I hate the Imperials more when I'm playing one and am so freaking glad my relationship to those idiots boils down to "you pay me."
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Really? my first character was a consular so I was very nervous when I made the tranisiton to my Inquisitor who is now my fave! Anyway...

While playing my sorcerer, I saw a more sympethetic side of the imperial people. aside from the very vocal bastards of which there are many... most Imperials seem like likable hardworking and overall respectable people. many of whom are nicer then any of the so called 'good guys" on the republic side! They are simply trying to make the best of being born into a strict society,

My two favorites and whom I will use as shining examples would be Major Bessiker from Balmorra and Elana Thul of Alderraanl.

Major Bessiker is a more blatant and obvious example due to his optimism and desire to do good, while Elana while openly Generous and eager to assist her ally is a more Subtle example. Why?

Well consider her families origins.

From what I learned about the thuls on the pub side is they are a bunch of empire puppets with an entitlement complex... who should not be in power because??? they are siding with the Empire OMG they must be evil!

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an absolute love that will bring warmth to a frozen world....

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BrianDavion
04.27.2013 , 02:02 PM | #35
it's worth noteing the Thul whom is going to be planted on the throne if they win, is a lord of the sith

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mrdrsenorpeanut
04.27.2013 , 02:04 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyysjan View Post
So, what you're telling me, is that the part about the empire, i always considered the most stupid, both from ingame, and out of game, came about because George Lucas is petty?
Figures
You can't trash talk George Lucas when you are on a game that came about because of him...kinda dumb if you ask me....

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mrdrsenorpeanut
04.27.2013 , 02:09 PM | #37
I always felt that the Empire was more-so the "good guys" in Star Wars. I mean think of this, say that we all get together and discover that the Force is real. And half of the people think we should not let our emotions give us strength and that we should be unattached from people and objects. And you are like, "No way!" So they get together and hunt you down and openly practice genocide, killing any and all Sith/Dark Siders they get their hands on. Eventually you will be twisted into hating and fearing them until you are one of those radical Sith killing all Republic/other guys you see.

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Kaisernick
04.27.2013 , 04:43 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Allronix;6141558

1) [I
Human High Culture[/I].
"Die or defete me, either way the empire is reborn" Malgus wasn't kidding, many more Aliens have been accepted into military ranks and we still have the effects of the pubs locking up Boshun a Cathar who was well liked among his people who simply said " i dont think we should join you" the cathar (including our own when we can make them" will not be happy.
And lets not forget that as united the republic is species like the Kaliesh Zabarak Ratatacki and many other are far more more like and as a result more inclined to join the empire now that its lacks its Anti-alien laws.


2) The Empire hits hard, but can't sustain a war of attrition.
Granted we eventually lost it but Balmoria was under the Empires control for many years facing rebels and undercover Republic forces.
Another prime example is Hoth, many seem to think that Hoth was 2 massive forces fighting one another, remember the Forces on Hoth were small and the entire goal was to use a token force while the republic trowed massive resources at them and the ship graveyard.
Now granted it isnt the massive war of attrition you were on about but i still see it as prof that push come to shove they arnt just hit fast enemies.
3) Imperials are too busy fighting each other to effectively fight anyone else.
Your right on this one, cant argue with that.


4) For all of its faults, the Republic is a stable society and much more of a meritocracy than the Empire. In the Empire, the Sith Order answers to no one. there is no procedure for removing a Darth from office,
The Wrath and his duty is from i see as someone who watches the Dark council, if a Darth goes to far then the Wrath takes him out, Also you will find that Other dark council members can intervene, the codex for the citadel states that 2 members fraught a kagath on the old citadel and it was a draw and the rest of the council killed them.
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Id also like to point out that the Sith didn't disband Intelligence, the star cabal did using their agents in the Sith.

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Bleeters
04.27.2013 , 05:09 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaisernick View Post
Id also like to point out that the Sith didn't disband Intelligence, the star cabal did using their agents in the Sith.
That the Sith were manipulated into doing it isn't quite the same as doing it entirely of their own volition, yes. But unless they're massive hypocrites and I missed some key revelation, the Star Cabal had no agents on the Dark Council and consequently didn't sign the order to disband intelligence themselves.

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Kaisernick
04.27.2013 , 05:45 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Bleeters View Post
That the Sith were manipulated into doing it isn't quite the same as doing it entirely of their own volition, yes. But unless they're massive hypocrites and I missed some key revelation, the Star Cabal had no agents on the Dark Council and consequently didn't sign the order to disband intelligence themselves.
yes after re watching it it seems the dark council was manipulated into doing it by other (ie minister of war and other military officials) but the message you get from hunter seems to imply that they had a hand in its dissolving.