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Xilizhra
09.18.2013 , 06:39 PM | #1931
Quote: Originally Posted by Highborne View Post
And? I may remind you that for the decade between the Treaty of Coruscant and the start of SW:TOR, the Republic was continuously feeding troops, supplies and intel to the resistance in direct violation of the Treaty of Coruscant.

It's not like the Republic has its hands all that much cleaner than the Empire does, especially when you consider what they want to do
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Frankly, I find it very hard to see this as immoral when Balmorra was the Republic's planet to begin with and the population seems to prefer it that way. You don't get to be indignant about alleged treaty violations when you started the war and more or less forced said treaty at swordpoint.



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Mmhmm. As to the first and second, I assume that I'm to be held accountable for the crimes of my ancestors also? Because that's what those missions are about, as I recall - various persons have dug up dirt on Thul's pre-exile activities, and want to use it to embarrass the present leadership of the House. As to the third, Rist has the goods on everyone - yes, even the oh-so-noble Organas haven't been above hiring assassins from time to time, it appears.

So, I ask again: what differentiates today's House Thul from today's House Organa? Charle Organa is a decent, compassionate leader to be sure - and Jorad Thul is both weaker of character and less noble. But the average aristocrat? Looks much the same on either side - backbiting, intrigue, corruption, abuse of those below them in station....there's a reason that a lot of lesser Houses are staying neutral, rather than aligning with House Organa. The only real difference between the bulk of the two Houses is who's backing them.
This might be a personal peeve of mine, in that I greatly dislike the destruction of information in any form. I know that Thul isn't all evil, but the presentation may have made it worse.



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Three reasons. First, resources - even after the terms imposed on the Republic in the Treaty of Coruscant, the simple fact is that the Republic is bigger, more heavily populated and far, far richer than the Empire in terms of aggregate resources. The expense of the reconstruction was enough to cause serious strain on the Republic's budgets - what do you think it'd do to the Empire's?

Second, because the Empire - unlike the Republic - places no particular value on Taris. Absent the Republic presence, it's a semi-toxic dump - no resources, not a particularly advantageous location (unless you plan to attack the Empire, but we're talking about the Imperial perspective here), hostile wildlife, ruins teetering overhead and to all sides.....it's an idea that promises vast expenses and little return. For the Republic, its astrography is much more valuable, the symbolic value cannot be overstated and the Republic's greater level of aggregate resources means that it has to commit a small percentage of its budget to the reconstruction than the Empire would.

It makes sense for the Republic to rebuild Taris. The Empire? Not so much.

Third, if they simply push the Republic out of Taris without destroying the infrastructure, what's stopping a pirate band, group of smugglers or renewed (covert) Republic presence from setting up there? Unless the Empire plans to commit a garrison to permanent occupation (which ties down troops for no gain at all), the only practical option for them is to blow Olaris sky-high and make sure the Republic has to rebuild from scratch if it does decide to return.

No, destroying Taris altogether makes perfect sense from the Empire's perspective. Any other choice is, frankly, a losing choice.
Understandable, I suppose.
I wish I could be more indignant about that plot to infect the kolto tanks in the ruined hospital with the rakghoul virus... but the questgiver is just so respectful and enthusiastic.

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Hudlar
09.18.2013 , 09:01 PM | #1932
Quote: Originally Posted by Euphrosyne View Post
That's a plausible strategy when open warfare hasn't really broken out - i.e. during the actual Cold War phase of the game, aka "Chapter I". But with the onset of that open warfare, even an unsecured Taris becomes a dagger pointed right at the heart of Sith Space.
Wow--thanks for that very detailed response (and thanks to Highborne, too)! I admit that I generally just take the quest-givers' explanations at face value, but that's a very reasonable take on the Empire's Taris strategy. I look forward to reading your fanfic once I've finished my own Sith Warrior playthrough.

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Hudlar
09.18.2013 , 09:28 PM | #1933
Quote: Originally Posted by wainot-keel View Post
I don't mind the gift mechanic. It's an option you have to raise your companion's affection and get to know them. I doubt you can realistically max all 5 peeps affection's without using gifts.
Oh, I don't mind it, I just treat it as an OOC game mechanic, like sending my companions out on the same gathering missions over and over.

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There's only so many missions (Belsavis' dailies don't count, because if giving over and over the same gift doesn't make sense, neither does doing the exact same mission over and over )
Yeah, even though I've been playing SWTOR long enough that I have my Founder title, the idea of running the same mission over and over with the same character still doesn't feel right to me. I'm afraid I'm really a single-player gamer at heart.

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I adore Elara Dorne for my trooper, but her being kind of rude and brusque, made lots of conversations during missions a small step back, or just no affection gain at all with Elara. One does not simply disregards "You're all useless!" voiced by Jennifer Hale.
My trooper was a complete goody-two-shoes, so I sadly missed out on a lot of Jennifer Hale's awesome Renegade-style line readings. But Dorne would definitely be my first choice for a female SGR.

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I think companions convos/missions should be only "triggered" by your progression on your main story. The affection thing doesn't really work here. It should have been just a gameplay mechanic to improve their effectivenes on crew missions and the legacy presence bonus once they get to 10k
I agree with this 100%.

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Hudlar
09.18.2013 , 10:04 PM | #1934
Sorry--double-posted somehow.

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Tatile
09.19.2013 , 04:46 AM | #1935
With the introduction (and subsequent benching) of Class Representatives, let's play a game of:

Hypothetical Scenario!

If Bioware: Austin introduced a representative scheme for Story Content (divided into the Class Stories, Planetary Stories and Companion/Romance) Content, what three questions would we ask for Romance Content?

Here's my three:
1) SGRA (that is a question in and of itself, let's be honest)
2) Why the necessity to pander to the Straight Male Gamer demographic with regards to the distribution of straight-female [Flirt]s and Romance options being significantly less than straight-male [Flirt]s and Romance options?
3) Why the necessity to make every female NPC who is SGR-flirtable also available to straight-male PCs? That is - why the existence of only bisexual women, versus there being only one(two? BBA twi'lek) gay man.

Continue! Let's see how many Questions That Will Never Be Answered Or Acknowledged As Existing we can get

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AbsolutGrndZero
09.19.2013 , 08:10 AM | #1936
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
With the introduction (and subsequent benching) of Class Representatives, let's play a game of:

Hypothetical Scenario!

If Bioware: Austin introduced a representative scheme for Story Content (divided into the Class Stories, Planetary Stories and Companion/Romance) Content, what three questions would we ask for Romance Content?

Here's my three:
1) SGRA (that is a question in and of itself, let's be honest)
2) Why the necessity to pander to the Straight Male Gamer demographic with regards to the distribution of straight-female [Flirt]s and Romance options being significantly less than straight-male [Flirt]s and Romance options?
3) Why the necessity to make every female NPC who is SGR-flirtable also available to straight-male PCs? That is - why the existence of only bisexual women, versus there being only one(two? BBA twi'lek) gay man.

Continue! Let's see how many Questions That Will Never Be Answered Or Acknowledged As Existing we can get
Well, I might point out that in the Czerka framing story Imperial side the Czerka representative is a lesbian. Female can romance her, males cannot. She's the only lesbian in the galaxy so far, but she's a start at least.
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Euphrosyne
09.19.2013 , 09:50 AM | #1937
Would these questions just be for the SGR thread community, or would they be for all companion/romance janx?

Because, if the latter, having all three questions related in some way to SGR seems more than a little over the top. We're not the game's only constituency.
Quote: Originally Posted by AbsolutGrndZero View Post
Well, I might point out that in the Czerka framing story Imperial side the Czerka representative is a lesbian. Female can romance her, males cannot. She's the only lesbian in the galaxy so far, but she's a start at least.
Male characters actually can romance her. I thought she was a lesbian, too, but somebody corrected me earlier in this thread.
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Tatile
09.19.2013 , 11:39 AM | #1938
Quote: Originally Posted by AbsolutGrndZero View Post
Well, I might point out that in the Czerka framing story Imperial side the Czerka representative is a lesbian. Female can romance her, males cannot. She's the only lesbian in the galaxy so far, but she's a start at least.
No. I had the option to [Flirt] with her on my very gay, male Imperial Agent.

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Tatile
09.19.2013 , 11:43 AM | #1939
Quote: Originally Posted by Euphrosyne View Post
Would these questions just be for the SGR thread community, or would they be for all companion/romance janx?
I thought I'd made the second and third questions not indistinctly linked to SGR/A content - the second question specifically targets the imbalance that already exists between available [Flirt] options (it merely specifies sexuality for the sake of clarity and refers largely to 1-50 content) and the second one is framed more for being a stepping stone to address the misogyny that many have noticed in Bioware's approach to romance and flirting in the game. I guess I wasn't clear enough.

And, yeah, the sub-sections would be available to members of those associated communities, like Shadows and Assassins get three separate questions, Class Stories and Companion/Romance, though linked, would get separate questions, because we've had romances not tied to Class Story (Makeb) and Companions not part of Class Story.

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Palar
09.19.2013 , 02:54 PM | #1940
Well, they have made it clear Class stories are dead - not much point asking about those.