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The Tank Shadow Hybrid spec.

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The Tank Shadow Hybrid spec.

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DweezillKagemand
01.25.2013 , 08:00 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Smuglebunny View Post
Except no one is stealing anything.

Classes are pitted against each other. 23/1/17 is NOT more powerfull than MANY classes and specs. Its on par. There are classes they would beat and classes that would beat them.

Its odd to say maras/sents, other assassins, snipers, and PTs are more powerful but that the hybrid assassin needs a nerf.

There are many classes with on par damage and survivability so it seems odd to single out assassins/shadows.

May we ask what class you are fighting them WITH? That you think they are OP?
It was an example. Classes are balanced around eachother, not against eachother.
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Altheran
01.25.2013 , 08:01 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by DweezillKagemand View Post
I was refering to the fact that it does a lot more damage than the other 2 tank specs, without sacrificing much. Stop going to extremes, it helps nothing.
I'm a Shadow who played Tank (real Tank, with Tank gear and a 33/0/8 spec) for a long time.

I won't deny that we have more damage, and in my opinion it's too much for a Tank. BUT the way the Tanking Stats work now make us the least resistant one, because it makes Tanks so much dependent of their damage reduction and Shadows have a mitigation which is not so different from a DPS (Kinetic specced = 37% Infiltration specced = up to 31%). As a result, the real Tank spec is barely balanced.

So you can nerf the hybrids, nerf the emphasis on damage we have for a tank, but if you don't change the Tanking mechanics at the same time, Shadow tanks (real ones) will definitely disappear.

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NamikazeNaruto
01.25.2013 , 08:02 AM | #33
All I can say is you should make a 23/1/17 shadow and play him, and guard someone else for a day or two while dpsing. See how fast your health plummets, especially in a smash oriented metagame.

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Smuglebunny
01.25.2013 , 08:05 AM | #34
Explain the difference between being balanced around or against. Cuz I was under the impression that in pvp you fight AGAINST other players.

Its not op. In the least.

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DweezillKagemand
01.25.2013 , 08:16 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Smuglebunny View Post
Explain the difference between being balanced around or against. Cuz I was under the impression that in pvp you fight AGAINST other players.

Its not op. In the least.
PvP is orientated towards group play and so is the class balance. So classes aren't just balanced against one another, ie a 1vs1. It's balanced in a group setting, where stuff like taughts, heals, friendly and enemy pulls are mixed into the equation. MMOs also tend to try and avoid rock-paper-scissors balance as this is fustrating, so you aren't balanced around killing 1 specific class, but rather around the effectiveness of you in a group.

Except Merc, I have no idea what that is balanced around.
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cycao
01.25.2013 , 08:18 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by DweezillKagemand View Post
PvP is orientated towards group play and so is the class balance. So classes aren't just balanced against one another, ie a 1vs1. It's balanced in a group setting, where stuff like taughts, heals, friendly and enemy pulls are mixed into the equation. MMOs also tend to try and avoid rock-paper-scissors balance as this is fustrating, so you aren't balanced around killing 1 specific class, but rather around the effectiveness of you in a group.

Except Merc, I have no idea what that is balanced around.
Agreed. I really hate when anyone brings 1v1 into any balance discussion. The only way to balance is to do so around group play. Having said that, I feel that when they did the last nerf they did it completely backwards in terms of I was thinking damage would be nerfed and a little more armor would be given.

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WheresMyWhisky
01.25.2013 , 08:19 AM | #37
I have played a shadow for a while and the 23/1/17 spec is not overpowered in the least

Anyways what prompts the reply is I think I was playing against some against some Top Hatin guild last night in PVP on The Red Eclipse, not sure if that was your guild? (Just saw the signature) And if it was what prompted this but if it was the shadow you were fighting was full tank spec 31/0/10 and yes in tank gear.

PS Not having a go or anything or wanting to start a flame, it was just in case so that the discussion could be about the correct spec.

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DweezillKagemand
01.25.2013 , 08:28 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by WheresMyWhisky View Post
I have played a shadow for a while and the 23/1/17 spec is not overpowered in the least

Anyways what prompts the reply is I think I was playing against some against some Top Hatin guild last night in PVP on The Red Eclipse, not sure if that was your guild? (Just saw the signature) And if it was what prompted this but if it was the shadow you were fighting was full tank spec 31/0/10 and yes in tank gear.

PS Not having a go or anything or wanting to start a flame, it was just in case so that the discussion could be about the correct spec.
Yeah, that's our guild, we've just hit 50 on TRE so we're hardly geared there, but we've been getting some good matches and a few where we've been absolutely destroyed.

In relation to your post, it was not that match (was it that Alderaan?) that prompt'd this, nor any match on that server. But more based on my TOFN toon after 40 or so warzones.
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Groncho
01.25.2013 , 08:53 AM | #39
i was going to jump into the discussion
but then i said "meh"
so i say "hi"
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DweezillKagemand
01.25.2013 , 08:59 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Groncho View Post
i was going to jump into the discussion
but then i said "meh"
so i say "hi"
Groncho!
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