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Help needed with HM Writhing Horror


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CountOryansen
01.04.2013 , 05:47 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by crazyBE View Post
6. Are you wasting as little time possible on the small adds? (aka letting your good AoE classes kill them)
Ex:
BH - Explosive Dart -> Death From Above -> go kill Jealous Male
Sorc - Force Storm 'till they die (+ procced Chain Lightning or Death Field) -> JM
Sin - (Death Field ->) JM
Agent - Orbital Strike (-> Plasma Probe) -> JM
Warrior -> JM

Healers could use a single AoE as well if they can afford it and your group has almost no AoE DPS.
Are you saying rdps on adds and mdps on male for all rotations?
what does your group do as a strat?

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CountOryansen
01.04.2013 , 05:54 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by BBTheHawk View Post
Are you at 15% during the 3rd, or 4th Jealous Male? If 3rd, then you actually have too much DPS, as I recall the hard enrage will not happen until after the 4th Jealous Male spawns (5:45 into fight). (I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong)
If you are close to 15% before the 3rd JM spawns then stop DPS until he is down then go all out on the boss during his soft enrage/spawning champion adds and hope you can keep enough ppl up to finish off the adds.
If you are getting a 4th JM spawn then, yes, there does need to be more DPS.
thanks again for the reply, i think i said it wrong.

We are hitting the hard enreage at 12-15% which usually happens 30 seconds or so after the 4th male (5:15 for male).
Here is how our scenario is playing out. 4th male spawns and boss is at 20% or so (5:15), we get him to 15% while still trying to finish off the male and adds and he enrages with all adds and male still up at 5:45.
Group wipes.

My main question is what strat for male and add downing is most efficient and gives most time on boss?

4 on adds 4 on male? 2 on adds 2 on male?

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CountOryansen
01.04.2013 , 05:57 PM | #33
Just for the conversation sake.

we are running,

BH tank
Jugg tank
Jugg dps
Merauder dps
BH dps
Sorc dps

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SafeJungleFever
01.04.2013 , 06:09 PM | #34
I think you guys need to get in MoX. Full 61 is not a guarantee of anything as I've learned to my chagrin while trying to get more of our guildies ready for progression.

If you're hitting hard enrage/getting four males, I don't know how much mechanics will help you.

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Woetoo
01.04.2013 , 08:34 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by CountOryansen View Post
Is it possible to do the normal strat, but than go 2mdps on male and 2rdps on adds for all switches?
would that be better?
"Better" is subjective. But imo, yes.
It's even possible with 1x mDPS and 3x rDPS. As long as the Jealous Male dies before the next one spawns.

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Caeduz
01.05.2013 , 01:02 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by CountOryansen View Post
Just for the conversation sake.

we are running,

BH tank
Jugg tank
Jugg dps
Merauder dps
BH dps
Sorc dps
Honestly, with this setup I'm surprise you're still at around 20% when the 4th male spawns as Jugg and Marauder do some absolutely insane DPS.

I don't think that it's a strat issue as you manage to go through all the phases., its just not enough DPS. Curious though, at the beginning of th encounter does your Jugg or Marauder ever pulled aggro from the tank...as although shouldn't., if they both are going all out then its very hard for the tank to keep aggro at the beginning without taunt back or threat dump from them.

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OlosBC
01.05.2013 , 02:26 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by CountOryansen View Post
Just for the conversation sake.

we are running,

BH tank
Jugg tank
Jugg dps
Merauder dps
BH dps
Sorc dps
Your BH (merc or ptech) should have some good aoe for the adds.

Sorc will have good aoe.

If jugg is rage he will have good aoe, but it requires a lot of movement in this case. Jugg and marauder should toss a smash or whatever at the adds though if its convenient.


Also when I tank this on my ptech, I like to drop an explosive dart and DFA on the little guys. Does appreciable damage to groups.

Healers probably won't be able to help out much here as there's a decent amount of damage going out when all the adds are up.


I just really think something else is going on here if the 1800 DPS number is real as you said. Just seems off.
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MythicalKnight
01.05.2013 , 02:10 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by CountOryansen View Post
My main question is what strat for male and add downing is most efficient and gives most time on boss?

4 on adds 4 on male? 2 on adds 2 on male?
Try 4 on little adds, after little adds are down put 2 rDPS (sorc, bh) on male, 2 mDPS (mara, jugg) on WH. I'm assuming here that your BH dps is merc. Also, this is assuming that everyone knows the best spec and rotation for raid dps. You really shouldn't have to do anything special on the tank swaps. If you're still hitting enrage then your dps needs to do some research on their dps rotations, maybe change trees.
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USCG_Davis
01.05.2013 , 06:46 PM | #39
What specs are your dps running? The one spec I know you need to have is your merc be arsenal.

What my guild does for 8 man runs is this. We have 2 maras: one running Anni and the other (me) running rage or carnage, one Sin in deception spec, and one sniper in Lethal Engineer. We have our Sin take the first pool while me and the sniper take the adds. Since our Sin uses blackout or what ever his stealth is called in his rotation, he also takes the second pool since vanishing removes the debuff. Me and the sniper take the second group of ads again. For the 3rd group, the sniper stands in the puddle and me and him take the adds. Really these adds die so fast that the sniper or Sin could probably solo them during their turn in the puddle. We kill the Horror just after the 3rd male and that's only because our dps has him down so low that we have to wait so we don't get the male and the soft enrage at the same time. I'm pulling well over 2k dps on this fight in carnage when I just stay on the boss and 2.3 when I'm rage and taking care of the adds. The adds don't sound like its your problem; it just sounds like really bad dps. Our Sin and Sniper are at anywhere from 1.8-2k on this fight and our Anni Mara is at 2.1 k (all these numbers are rough estimates based off other fights because I'm on my phone at work and can't ask em. But it's numbers they usually have in MoX and Granted were all in BiS 61/63's but we get lazy on this fight).

As for the Jealous Male; the off tank pulls him over to the pool and we AoE him with the adds then burn off what little health he has left.

This fight is by far the joke of TfB. If your dps can't beat this, then you guys are going to have massive issues on everything else in that Operation. Best of luck to you guys and I hope you get it down
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FlavaBizkit
01.06.2013 , 10:42 AM | #40
your dps is just bad. run logs.
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