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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.

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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.
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DarthTHC
01.03.2013 , 10:54 AM | #21
BioWare has always been known as a very liberal game developer in this sense. They created the first homosexual Star Wars character. It came as a great shock to many that there was absolutely no option for SGR in SWTOR. I'm glad they're finally coming around to making it happen.

It's nice of EA to keep the one last vestige of what made BioWare, BioWare.

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Arlbo_Nabbins
01.03.2013 , 11:01 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
On this short and long list of things the game needs in the coming months.

SGR is not one of them. While I truely think it should have been included at the beginning of the game and should be added at some point since it was not in to start. It's doesn't need to be added in any short amount of time.
SGR has been on the horizon for a long time, it was announced months ago that SGR would be added to the game so it is not something being added in a short amount of time, the only thing that has changed recently is confirmation of when it will arrive.

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Asuka
01.03.2013 , 11:07 AM | #23
Although this is only being included exclusively for Makeb, there's way too many other things that need prioritization such as space combat content, new gear artwork, the content that was promised to the Collectors Edition owners who were told & promised that the vendor would see regular updates of inventory etc...

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01.03.2013 , 11:13 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Asuka View Post
Although this is only being included exclusively for Makeb, there's way too many other things that need prioritization such as space combat content, new gear artwork, the content that was promised to the Collectors Edition owners who were told & promised that the vendor would see regular updates of inventory etc...
The CE vendor is not a priority. As said on Dulfy.net:

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Most of our development effort will focus on keeping the cartel market fresh and full of awesome stuff to purchase. That being said, I definitely have it on my to-do list to revisit these secondary vendors in the future.
Also, as explained more thoroughly on the first page, I disagree that it would divert resources from other areas of the game by adding SGR's with Makeb. If anything, it saves them effort later if they try to add SGR's into the game after Makeb launches.
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01.03.2013 , 11:14 AM | #25
Yeah, the CE issue got an answer, it wasn't a happy one, but it was an answer about the future of the CE store.

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Lium
01.03.2013 , 11:21 AM | #26
I guess this is the thread where we can comment.

I don't mind SGR at all and it doesn't bother me in the least. My only concerns are that it becomes a political issue (which it has) and that the context of the setting is ignored.

What I mean by the context is that Star Wars is typically a family friendly universe that, while enjoyed by people of all ages, is largely aimed at kids. Things in Star Wars are usually pretty black and white and apolitical.

Sci-Fi and fantasy settings like Mass Effect and Dragon Age are darker and made for more mature audiences. Therefore, same gender romances fit naturally in those worlds and they don't seem out of place at all. But stories like Star Wars and even Lord of the Rings, on the other hand seem to be more traditional.

That doesn't mean they can't evolve. And again, I don't have a problem with SGR, but I just think it has to be done in the spirit of the setting. Star Wars always has to be Star Wars first and foremost.

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thewatcheruatu
01.03.2013 , 11:31 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Grimmig View Post
Kailyo calls you Agent enough times, as long as her dialogue didn't contain "Hey big boy, come over here" then SGR would have worked just fine from the beginning. A little bit of forethought on the part of their writers and this issue would be a non.
Well, unless the writer didn't want Kaliyo to be bisexual. I don't know...I'm an amateur writer at best, but I understand how characters take on lives of their own in your mind, and you can't just force them to be something they're not, even if it would appease a certain consumer. I guess that's why it kind of bugs me when people suggest it could have just been thrust upon an existing companion.

Like, no--I don't think Andronikos Revel is going to want to get intimate with your male Inquisitor. That would just be pandering and a disservice to the character.

As to Kaliyo, sure--I could easily see how Kaliyo might go either way, but I didn't write her.

As to whether characters should have been designed on the drawing board to be whatever, well...yeah, they probably should have done, just in case they had decided to try to include it in the vanilla game. But hindsight is usually 20/20.
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01.03.2013 , 12:08 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
I guess this is the thread where we can comment.

I don't mind SGR at all and it doesn't bother me in the least. My only concerns are that it becomes a political issue (which it has) and that the context of the setting is ignored.

What I mean by the context is that Star Wars is typically a family friendly universe that, while enjoyed by people of all ages, is largely aimed at kids. Things in Star Wars are usually pretty black and white and apolitical.

Sci-Fi and fantasy settings like Mass Effect and Dragon Age are darker and made for more mature audiences. Therefore, same gender romances fit naturally in those worlds and they don't seem out of place at all. But stories like Star Wars and even Lord of the Rings, on the other hand seem to be more traditional.

That doesn't mean they can't evolve. And again, I don't have a problem with SGR, but I just think it has to be done in the spirit of the setting. Star Wars always has to be Star Wars first and foremost.
I disagree with your point. Star Wars is in may respects not family orientated but rather a very mature and even violent universe. I mean I can recall several instances of over the top violence in the game which is certainly not for young children. For example in may of the dark side options the outcomes result in either the torture of someone and in some cases innocents to out right cold murder. There maybe no blood in the game but the gore is certainly there.

Also you made a point about it being "black and white and apolitical" and again I disagree with this. See in both factions there are always elements of politics. Take the Republic it strives for Democracy with the senate and each system having its own laws and how each world is autonomous etc. Then take the Empire, it is a system which is very near autocratic with its harsh slavery policies and how the Sith rule without question or recourse.

Finally in the novels as well as the films there are many themes that are described these include war, love, marriage, betrayal and redemption. Yet in the game all of these are present but it also contains sexual overtones, references to drug taking etc. So while I agree with the fact you mentioned ME3 and Dragon Age were set in a dark atmosphere this game is incredibly dark as well and as such it would not detract from the Star Wars experience in the slightest if and when SGR is implemented.
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SithVeritas
01.03.2013 , 12:15 PM | #29
I agree with OP, he makes a good point.

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RikHar
01.03.2013 , 12:26 PM | #30
Stop and think. Forget what you want or what others are saying, just for a second.

Bioware has already stated that including this will take long hours and resources. It's not something to be done overnight. So therefore, you want Bioware to spend valuable long hours, man-power and resources and who knows what else, just for a few lines of unimportant romance which will mean nothing in the long run or in the scope of things?

It's not like it was another MMO where you can have roleplaying romances, weddings, houses to live in and friends to come and participate in your romantic events. There, it's with real people you're involved with because it's a game about life. Here, it's with an NPC with its dialogue already written out. No one can see it, but you. And it's over with in a few seconds. Just like that and poof! It ends.

For something so trivial you want BioWare to take away from other far more important things they should be working on? Seriously, for a fleeing few seconds of romance which contributes nothing to the game or yourself because soon as it's over, it's over.

It's more important for Bioware to address important issues that game has at the moment. Things like the many bugs around. Right now you can't do the {Weekly} at Section X due to a bugged quest as well as many other things the game needs. Things like this far outweight trivial stuff like a meaningless 5 second romance.

To me, it just sounds like some people want it just to say they forced the game to add it. And not for any benefit other then this, because there is none.