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The Clone War's Canon Conundrum

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The Clone War's Canon Conundrum

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Old 12.22.2012 , 11:07 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by MishraArtificer View Post
Before Legacy, before Dark Times, and before Republic, go burn the $40 or $50 and buy the Tales of the Jedi Omnibus collections from BAM or Barnes and Noble or wherever. The Knights of the Old Republic comics featuring Zayne Carrick weren't bad, either.

Never got to read any of Dark Empire. How bad were they?
Yea Tales of the Jedi is also pretty essential. While I loved Knights of the Old Republic, it just doesn't reach the same amount of epicness as the rest. *shrug*

Dark Empire was the one with Clone Palpatine, and Luke going to the Dark Side. Dark Empire wasn't all bad, but II and III were terrible because they basically recycled the plot of the first one, TWICE.
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Old 12.23.2012 , 12:30 AM | #22
TCW is simply a PoS.

I loved the almost comercial-like, 15 min Clone Wars mini series that took place between Ep II and Ep III waaaaay more. Everyone had OP powers, yes, but the point of that serious was to just get attention towards the new movie and have some fun doing it.

TCW is just to BS it's way into some new form of canon that has been destroying established canon for years now.

All I can say is, that I can forgive everything that TCW has done, IF and only if, we see Ahsoka Tano die horribly.
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Old 12.23.2012 , 04:37 AM | #23
I avoid watching the clone wars because of all the stuff they do.
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Old 12.23.2012 , 05:45 AM | #24
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I don't really follow the series, but I don't see how Asajj being a Nightsister is a good thing. Before the series reinvented her, she had a great storyline, what with being Padawan to a Jedi who died in battle, which caused her fall to the Dark Side. Her youthful naivete became a strong character theme later on, what with her self proclamation of being Sith and her utter devotion to Count Dooku, despite the fact he was manipulating and using her. Furthermore, though she is a fierce combatant, she never showed much strength in Force abilities. Then they shoehorned in the fact that she was a Nightsister - Force Witches who are pretty much dedicated to the use of the Force through rituals and powers. It seems...really clunky, and only for the purpose of the Savage Oppress/Maul backstory, rather then a logically drawn conclusion. Furthermore, we see some serious changes in her personality through the series that also seem to contradict her naive, aggressive nature.

There's a very strong existing parralel between her and Anakin - I see her as what Anakin could have become if not for Obi-Wan - and her own relationship with Kenobi himself is really heavily immersed in resentment (that Anakin's master is alive, while her own died), and some really strong elements of sexual chemistry depending on the writer at the time. The Clone Wars seems to just...ignore all that depth, and that's a shame. It's also a shame that she's been reduced to essentially a henchman role by the show, when realistically she could very well have been the focal 'Big Bad' for most of the series.
This is your problem, most of the people bashing TCW don't even watch the series. All that backstory you mentioned is still there they even include flashbacks to the death of her Master, and her turning to the dark side. The Nightsisters only come into play when she is betrayed by Dooku. She did not grow up as a Nightsister but was taken away at birth, this is why she doesn't have all the voodoo powers.

The Nightsisters are also vital to Ventress' development or personality, and journey to find something to belong too. Once she loses Dooku, she seeks them out, then she loses them to Grievous and is forced to find something else to belong too. For now she belongs to nothing. The Nightsisters are also important for Ventress' attempts at revenge on Dooku - which displays her naive character - and if anything Savage was made as a flat character for her to bounce off than Maul or Kenobi. And lets face it, Ventress has Nightsister written all over her.

Personally I like how her personality is changing. Ventress is an entirely EU character, and it was EU that established her as not fully dark side - Kenobi believes their is a chance of saving her and TCW are developing that story through her betrayal by Dooku, and her become a freelance mercernary with nobody to belong too. They've placed her between a cross roads between light and dark, and she has too choose which path to take, I'd call that depth.

You talk about then changing her personality, from naive and aggressive. But doesn't everyones personality evolve through the course of Star Wars? Luke goes from simple farmboy to Jedi Knight, Anakin goes from naive slave kid to Dark Lord, Han Solo goes from no good scoundrel to hero. Having a character not evolve just makes them stagnant and flat. Ventress is a round character, she started the series being naive and aggressive (pretty clear from the Yoda arc), believing herself unstoppable and having complete faith in her master. But over the course of the series she loses that naivety (as all people would unless their stupid, kind or overly trusting) and when Dooku betrays her loses faith in the dark side.

IMO Ventress is one of greatest characters in TCW, and I really like how they've developed her.

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Old 12.23.2012 , 11:44 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
The Nightsisters only come into play when she is betrayed by Dooku. She did not grow up as a Nightsister but was taken away at birth, this is why she doesn't have all the voodoo powers.
See I'd consider that bad writing. How does she remember she's a Nightsister? She was still an infant when they took her. Why do the Nightsister's suddenly have to bargain with slaver's by giving up one of their own? Why don't they just kill or enslave the slavers? They ride Rancor's and have the Darkside for god's sake. Why do the Nightsister's even allow MALES to walk on their planet without immediately enslaving them? That goes against every portrayal of the Nightsister's formerly shown.

Like I said, it just seems like it was a way to shoe-horn the Nightsister's in, and then base the rest of their series main plot line on this shoe-horn. There were better ways to incorporate the Nightsister than changing Ventriss' backstory. Their were better ways to introduce Savage than changing Ventriss' backstory. Also, no she doesn't have Nightsister written all over her, she has Rattataki written all over her. You know, the race that is in THIS game, and now suddenly doesn't exist in any other Canon source.
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Old 12.23.2012 , 12:58 PM | #26
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See I'd consider that bad writing. How does she remember she's a Nightsister? She was still an infant when they took her. Why do the Nightsister's suddenly have to bargain with slaver's by giving up one of their own? Why don't they just kill or enslave the slavers? They ride Rancor's and have the Darkside for god's sake. Why do the Nightsister's even allow MALES to walk on their planet without immediately enslaving them? That goes against every portrayal of the Nightsister's formerly shown.

Like I said, it just seems like it was a way to shoe-horn the Nightsister's in, and then base the rest of their series main plot line on this shoe-horn. There were better ways to incorporate the Nightsister than changing Ventriss' backstory. Their were better ways to introduce Savage than changing Ventriss' backstory. Also, no she doesn't have Nightsister written all over her, she has Rattataki written all over her. You know, the race that is in THIS game, and now suddenly doesn't exist in any other Canon source.

Your a serious nitpicker...

She literally does have Nightsister written all over her, you know, the tattoos!
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Old 12.23.2012 , 01:02 PM | #27
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I disagree, if anything almost all of Dark Horse's Star Wars lines over the past 20 years have been moderate-good, I suggest you pick up Legacy, Dark Times, and Republic just to name a few stand outs. The only notably bad one they've done was Dark Empire from when they first obtained the license.
Thats three out of nearly dozens.


The many times they brought back Darth Maul were all horrible, the lost tribe has been getting extremely bad reviews. I think IGN gave some of those comics 4's and 5's out of 10s. Blood Ties has been really losing its originality.

This is going off topic, but I seriously feel like you think your opinion is everyone else's opinion.
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Old 12.23.2012 , 01:41 PM | #28
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Thats three out of nearly dozens.


The many times they brought back Darth Maul were all horrible, the lost tribe has been getting extremely bad reviews. I think IGN gave some of those comics 4's and 5's out of 10s. Blood Ties has been really losing its originality.

This is going off topic, but I seriously feel like you think your opinion is everyone else's opinion.
lol you obviously don't know anything about Dark Horse comics. *face palm* They've brought back Darth Maul ONCE, it was in Infinity Tales, which was non-canon. The Clone Wars was then like "Hey that sounds like a cool idea! Lets do it! Derp!", and thus made it canon.
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Old 12.23.2012 , 01:52 PM | #29
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lol you obviously don't know anything about Dark Horse comics. *face palm* They've brought back Darth Maul ONCE, it was in Infinity Tales, which was non-canon. The Clone Wars was then like "Hey that sounds like a cool idea! Lets do it! Derp!", and thus made it canon.
They brought him back three times actually, once against Ben Kenobi, once against Vader and another time when he ambushed Skywalker as a hologram, four times if you count his Proxy cameo in TFU.

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Old 12.23.2012 , 01:56 PM | #30
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They brought him back three times actually, once against Ben Kenobi, once against Vader and another time when he ambushed Skywalker as a hologram, four times if you count his Proxy cameo in TFU.
But wasn't the one against Kenobi an illusion, and the one against Vader a doppelganger?
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