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Wolfninjajedi
12.14.2012 , 09:29 PM | #41
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Then you just admitted the cold wouldn't have been a problem. The X-Wings were built for Space, that means they could take colder conditions than Hoth.

Furthermore, the X-Wing was based off of the Z-95 Headhunter, and actually could fight in atmosphere.

As far as the TIE Fighters, I don't see them being a factor, they're in danger of ripping themselves apart in atmosphere plus the shield being up (the X-wings didn't have to worry as long as they didn't run into the shield since they were already inside the shield).

It has been demonstrated in an X-Wing book (I think Isard's Revenge) that X-wings can pretty much shred AT-ATs with their laser canons and they would be capable of atmospheric flight due to them being based off the Z-95 Headhunters..
Except again the X-wings were needed to guard the transports, not fight the AT-ATs.
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Beniboybling
12.15.2012 , 07:06 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Then you just admitted the cold wouldn't have been a problem. The X-Wings were built for Space, that means they could take colder conditions than Hoth.

Furthermore, the X-Wing was based off of the Z-95 Headhunter, and actually could fight in atmosphere.

As far as the TIE Fighters, I don't see them being a factor, they're in danger of ripping themselves apart in atmosphere plus the shield being up (the X-wings didn't have to worry as long as they didn't run into the shield since they were already inside the shield).

It has been demonstrated in an X-Wing book (I think Isard's Revenge) that X-wings can pretty much shred AT-ATs with their laser canons and they would be capable of atmospheric flight due to them being based off the Z-95 Headhunters..
Is the vacuum of space cold? I guess it must be. But I was more thinking about the wind/snow etc which would affect manoervebilty and speed and probably damage its internal parts. I also expect there must have been a reason the Rebels used snowspeeders specially adapted for these conditions, seems to imply X-Wings would have difficulties.

But I suspect the main reason is that the X-Wings were A. Getting the rebel pilots out of Echo Base and B. Escorting the transports - after all it was an evacuation situation, they weren't fighting to win were they?

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GarfieldJL
12.15.2012 , 07:37 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Is the vacuum of space cold? I guess it must be. But I was more thinking about the wind/snow etc which would affect manoervebilty and speed and probably damage its internal parts. I also expect there must have been a reason the Rebels used snowspeeders specially adapted for these conditions, seems to imply X-Wings would have difficulties.

But I suspect the main reason is that the X-Wings were A. Getting the rebel pilots out of Echo Base and B. Escorting the transports - after all it was an evacuation situation, they weren't fighting to win were they?
They could have vaped the AT-ATs and then they'd have plenty of time to evacuate considering the Imperials couldn't take down the Rebel Base's shields.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.15.2012 , 07:39 PM | #44
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They could have vaped the AT-ATs and then they'd have plenty of time to evacuate considering the Imperials couldn't take down the Rebel Base's shields.
Except the Empire, would just send down more units and possibly AA guns. More to that, its a waste of time and your possibly going to be losing X-wings as they would be a much bigger target to hit then a Snowspeeder.
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GarfieldJL
12.15.2012 , 08:18 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Except the Empire, would just send down more units and possibly AA guns. More to that, its a waste of time and your possibly going to be losing X-wings as they would be a much bigger target to hit then a Snowspeeder.
You mean AA guns that they would have to haul inside the shield, which would have taken a long time to do, remember the AT-ATs had to come from transports that landed outside of the shield, while sure they could have hauled in AA guns, they'd have to haul them inside the shield to do anything with them, and unlike the Snowspeeders, X-Wings had shields and their laser canons could blast right through an AT-AT's armor.

It took the AT-ATs at least an hour to get inside the shield to where they could fight. X-Wings could probably destroy the AT-ATs in 5 to 10 minutes tops.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.15.2012 , 08:34 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
You mean AA guns that they would have to haul inside the shield, which would have taken a long time to do, remember the AT-ATs had to come from transports that landed outside of the shield, while sure they could have hauled in AA guns, they'd have to haul them inside the shield to do anything with them, and unlike the Snowspeeders, X-Wings had shields and their laser canons could blast right through an AT-AT's armor.

It took the AT-ATs at least an hour to get inside the shield to where they could fight. X-Wings could probably destroy the AT-ATs in 5 to 10 minutes tops.
It would be a waste of time. If the Rebels had stayed there any longer, they would have been done for because more then likely the Empire would have sent in far more starships to blockade the planet thus cutting off any supplies and any escape that the Rebels would need to do. Eventually then the X-wings would have been destroyed, the base overrun and everyone killed.
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Beniboybling
12.16.2012 , 05:35 AM | #47
People, we are forgetting that the Rebels weren't trying to win, but escape. They lost the battle as soon as the Imperials discovered them and Death Squadron dropped out of hyperspace. The snowspeeders were just buying time for the Rebels to get away in their X-Wings and Transports.

Even if somehow the Rebels had destroyed the AT-AT's in doesn't matter. The Empire have already found their base. We forget that this is a rebellion, and the Empire outnumber then a million to one. The Rebels depend on guerilla tactics, the element of surprise and being invisible. Once their base is found the Empire can just keep sending in troops and ships to blow them to hell. Retreat was the only option.

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BurnedRemains
12.16.2012 , 07:21 AM | #48
The whole Ewok bit was crap. I mean seriously, that is the part of the movie where it went from science-fiction, to science-crap.

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Rayla_Felana
12.16.2012 , 07:38 AM | #49
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The whole Ewok bit was crap. I mean seriously, that is the part of the movie where it went from science-fiction, to science-crap.
Have to agree with this.

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Beniboybling
12.16.2012 , 07:39 AM | #50
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The whole Ewok bit was crap. I mean seriously, that is the part of the movie where it went from science-fiction, to science-crap.
The Ewoks represent the fact that no matter how much technological might you may possess, the will of the people will always triumph.