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Eillack
12.12.2012 , 09:49 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
All Terrain Armored Transport

It is a troop carrier with incredibly heavy armor and powerful guns. While it can (and is) be used for heavy assault (which the Empire prefers), it's main role is a stable transport for troops.
This and there were areas where Troopers could shoot out of.
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12.12.2012 , 09:50 AM | #22
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But like I said, repulsorlifts only lift the veichle a few inches of the ground, which removes two of the AT-AT's advantages: height and fear.
again look at the troop cariers and the hovertanks of the Droid army those are a LOT more then a few inches.

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Beniboybling
12.12.2012 , 10:04 AM | #23
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As a troop transport, the legs serve an extremely vital role, mines. The AT-TEs of the clone wars were good heavy transports just like the AT-ATs but if they stepped on a mine, both the walker and any troops inside the walker were gone. The weakness of the legs seems to have a glaringly easy solution, upward facing barbs. Make them out of cortosis or another stronge metal and you have your (relatively) cheap wire defense while maintaining the fear inspired from the height of the walker.
Or they could make the legs stronger, snap the rope

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sstanks
12.12.2012 , 10:31 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Diablo_Cow View Post
As a troop transport, the legs serve an extremely vital role, mines. The AT-TEs of the clone wars were good heavy transports just like the AT-ATs but if they stepped on a mine, both the walker and any troops inside the walker were gone. The weakness of the legs seems to have a glaringly easy solution, upward facing barbs. Make them out of cortosis or another stronge metal and you have your (relatively) cheap wire defense while maintaining the fear inspired from the height of the walker.
or just avoid the mines all together by having repulsors like the Droid army transports. Can't step on something if you don't touch the ground?

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Beniboybling
12.12.2012 , 11:34 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by sstanks View Post
again look at the troop cariers and the hovertanks of the Droid army those are a LOT more then a few inches.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Armor...k?file=AAT.jpg - O_o I count a few inches...

Honestly, only an aerial vehicle could reach the height of an AT-AT and you may say fine, make it an gunship, but this makes in vulnerable to rocket launchers etc that could take out its engines and blast it out of the sky. It would also be too heavy to be effective.
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or just avoid the mines all together by having repulsors like the Droid army transports. Can't step on something if you don't touch the ground?
Point, but certain mines can detect repulsorlift fields, so this could be exploited just as easily as the legs.

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FROIDBUSTER
12.12.2012 , 03:39 PM | #26
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Its not really a dumb design really, thats really its only glaring weakness. Well that and its neck, but if you don't have snowspeeders to trip up an AT-AT or high powered weapons then your pretty much SOL when facing an AT-AT.

If you knew how hard it was to make 'walkers' of any kind the design loses a lot of merit strategically. There is no good way mechanically to create the proper amount of tension/freedom of movement artificially, that organic joints and ligaments provide naturally for even objects of normal size. A device such as the huge AT-AT with its' ridiculous mass and such a high center of gravity would only compound the problem

Even with the 'Well it is science fiction, lay off the pedantic science a bit' excuse, the primitive Ewoks in Episode VI basically exploited those same design flaws that were present in the two-leggers.

The simple fact is the form of quadrupedal movement AT-AT employ would been beyond useless on Hoth where their immense weight would have sunk them into the Snow and where any slightly uneven ground underneath would have either snapped the joints or thrown off their center of mass so they toppled.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.12.2012 , 03:52 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by FROIDBUSTER View Post
If you knew how hard it was to make 'walkers' of any kind the design loses a lot of merit strategically. There is no good way mechanically to create the proper amount of tension/freedom of movement artificially, that organic joints and ligaments provide naturally for even objects of normal size. A device such as the huge AT-AT with its' ridiculous mass and such a high center of gravity would only compound the problem

Even with the 'Well it is science fiction, lay off the pedantic science a bit' excuse, the primitive Ewoks in Episode VI basically exploited those same design flaws that were present in the two-leggers.

The simple fact is the form of quadrupedal movement AT-AT employ would been beyond useless on Hoth where their immense weight would have sunk them into the Snow and where any slightly uneven ground underneath would have either snapped the joints or thrown off their center of mass so they toppled.
Except there was no uneven ground during the battle so...I don't see where your going with this post here. Before the battle however, they did lose 3 walkers to an ice flow. Just during the battle...there was none of that.

Also the AT-ST's feet weren't built the same way as the AT-AT's so of course they could be toppled easily. The AT-AT's feet are designed to crush anything, so toppling it over with logs won't work here as either

1. The logs would just bump into the walker

Or

2. The logs get under the walker's feet as its moving but are crushed due to the weight.
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12.12.2012 , 04:21 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by sstanks View Post
yes when George wrote it he thought that they would need legs because the repulsors wouldn't go through shields. He was actually inspired by HG Wells War of the Worlds and the Tripods. He wanted imagery that was similar.

pssst Star Wars isn't real. They made the At-Ats with legs because of the limitations of special effects.

I would be more scared if a fast moving Droid Tank was coming towards me then a large slow moving camel with a high center of gravity.

If I can walk faster then it then i'm not afraid of it. You take out even one leg and you stopped it dead in it's tracks.

oh and if you want to get really techinical your "theory" is wrong. Viper Probe droids were present at the battle and they use repulsors
My theory is not wrong, repulsors can not go through planetary shields, it is said so in the essential guide to warfare. The droid tanks that were on repulsors are limited to how high they could go, the droids that did sit high were on tall legs. The AT-AT goes 60 km/hr so your not going to out run the thing. Just because of reasons here on earth say that we can't have nice things doesn't mean that the star wars galaxy can't accommodate, like the blood in the cantina caused by obi-wan's saber and how that is pretty much the only instance of blood coming from a saber in all of star wars. and as for the viper droids, it is possible that they were already on hoth before the empire got there.

About the leg, good luck removing it, and if you did, you only made it stop, it can unload all the troops it is transporting.

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12.12.2012 , 09:47 PM | #29
All walker designs are flawed simply because they have a high profile. This makes them useless for anything other than heavy assaults. They are for heavy assaults through all terrain. You only really see them in harsh environments, and in one case there is an AT-AT guarding the shield generator for the death star. The reason Lucas used one here is to explain that the shield generator is protected by a force that is adapting to the environment, rather than dug in. The Galactic Empire has designs for other tasks, although the thick jungle makes it impossible for other vehicles to operative as effectively as these designs.
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GarfieldJL
12.12.2012 , 09:56 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by EnsignSorrow View Post
All walker designs are flawed simply because they have a high profile. This makes them useless for anything other than heavy assaults. They are for heavy assaults through all terrain. You only really see them in harsh environments, and in one case there is an AT-AT guarding the shield generator for the death star. The reason Lucas used one here is to explain that the shield generator is protected by a force that is adapting to the environment, rather than dug in. The Galactic Empire has designs for other tasks, although the thick jungle makes it impossible for other vehicles to operative as effectively as these designs.
Not all walker designs had this flaw, the AT-PT, was apparently significantly more stable than and AT-ST.

Anyways, what bugs me is the fact the Rebels didn't simply haul out their X-Wings and just light up the walkers with proton torpedos and the more powerful laser canons.