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Is anyone else disappointed with the Exile's and Revan's Legacy in SWTOR

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Is anyone else disappointed with the Exile's and Revan's Legacy in SWTOR

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Korton
12.08.2012 , 08:06 PM | #1
(SPOILERS - REVAN AND EXILE IN SWTOR)
We all know Bioware used to be the Gods of good stories, ME series, Kotor series, DA: Origins and more! I just did the maelstrom today and the whole flashpoint felt so cheesy. I was really cringing when the exile started talking to Raven it was just horrible writing and script. I also learned how Revan gets ''defeated'' by the Imperials in one of their flashpoints which was also very disappointing.

I just expected much more than being caught by emperor, prisoner, rescued, sais 4 lines and leaves, ''runs away'' from imps in flashpoint later on.

I just wish they continued with the whole ''mystery and secret'' theme we were left with. Yes, there are good stories in this game, and yes there is many of them but for me Revan's + The Exile's Legacy was completely ruined.

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Slowpokeking
12.08.2012 , 08:35 PM | #2
Their time is over and should not make appearance in SWTOR.

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VigDiath
12.08.2012 , 08:39 PM | #3
Extremely.

I played both KoToR and KoToR II so many times trying to find clues of what happened with Revan or what could possibly happen next with their stories if their was a game 3 to be released. KoToR 2 especially. I played male, female, light side, dark side, gray; killed the Jedi Masters one by one, left them all alive, fought only 3 and saved 1 just to see the different outcomes to find out what they would reveal about Revan. I put up with Mical's annoying whiny sniveling and questioning. I ignored Carth always stopping me to answer questions only to not give me any REAL answers at the end of KoToR II just to get a glimpse what would be possible in the future. I put up with Kreia!!

And what happened? Well...

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NOT the ending I wanted for our heroes. But....let me say this. I thoroughly enjoy the game and will play it as long as I can before tiring of it. Might even go back and play KoToR again.
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12.08.2012 , 10:00 PM | #4
Seriously Bioware, **** WHAT YOU GUYS DID TO THE EXILE!

Meetra Surik was a farrrrrr better character than Revan and you pretty much ignored everything about Atton, Mira, Handmaiden, Disciple, Mandalore, Visas, GOTO and Kreia which is disappointing since after the Events of KotOR2 Atton, Mira, Handmaiden, Disciple and (I think) Visas Marr were supposed to be integral to the rebuilding of the Jedi Order.
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12.08.2012 , 10:05 PM | #5
I could write up a big post like I usually do, but it's late and i'm tired so i'll just say it bluntly.

Bioware hates KOTOR II. They didn't make the game, so they don't have any respect for it. The reason The Exile was basically made Revan's ***** in both the game and the novel was because Revan was actually Bioware's character.

As for Revan's ****** writing. I don't even know.
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Slowpokeking
12.08.2012 , 10:18 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by BlznSmri View Post
Seriously Bioware, **** WHAT YOU GUYS DID TO THE EXILE!

Meetra Surik was a farrrrrr better character than Revan and you pretty much ignored everything about Atton, Mira, Handmaiden, Disciple, Mandalore, Visas, GOTO and Kreia which is disappointing since after the Events of KotOR2 Atton, Mira, Handmaiden, Disciple and (I think) Visas Marr were supposed to be integral to the rebuilding of the Jedi Order.
She was mostly ruined in the novel, not much in the actual game.

I do like the idea that Revan got defeated, sure he's good but new generation could have stronger Sith Lords.

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Ellyria
12.08.2012 , 10:23 PM | #7
Revan and the Exile should never have been in SWTOR in the first place. The Revan novel and SWTOR have done neither of them justice (especially the Exile). It was just an attempt to link KOTOR to SWTOR and bring in the KOTOR fans and IMO was a waste and a disgrace.

I'm just going to pretend that Revan returned to Bastila and the Exile ran away with Atton, the horrible novel doesn't exist, and they didn't appear in SWTOR. #WillLiveInDenial #Don'tJudgeMe
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12.08.2012 , 10:35 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Ellyria View Post
Revan and the Exile should never have been in SWTOR in the first place. The Revan novel and SWTOR have done neither of them justice (especially the Exile). It was just an attempt to link KOTOR to SWTOR and bring in the KOTOR fans and IMO was a waste and a disgrace.

I'm just going to pretend that Revan returned to Bastila and the Exile ran away with Atton, the horrible novel doesn't exist, and they didn't appear in SWTOR. #WillLiveInDenial #Don'tJudgeMe
Well they are still better than the Sith Emperor as a character, the Emperor is more of a plot device and ops boss rather than a character.

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OldVengeance
12.08.2012 , 10:48 PM | #9
Meetra Surik is a character created specifically for the novel to be Revan's sidekick and then a TOR cameo. In the game, the Exile's character was almost identical to Revan's, namely a blank slate. Probably more so because although their backstory was, in part, perhaps more detailed, it gave less hints about their personality.

In regard the OP, yes I am. First of all, I didn't think they should have canonized either of them or made an MMO that skipped past Revan and the Exile's era in the first place but assuming that they did have to make TOR instead of Kotor 3, then they should have left them cosigned to the legends of history. Revan didn't need to appear again. They should have just left him a martyr instead of bringing him back as a broken madman that lives just long enough to undo his entire redemption arc and die a monster and a failure. The Exile died an even more ignoble death, and though she didn't suffer quite as spectacular a failure as Revan did in TOR itself, her character was arbitrarily changed to become apparently Revan's adoring sidekick. I haven't read the novel itself where this happens, but Lord Scourge will flat out say that she was just Revan's follower if the Jedi Knight asks about them. Between the two of them, I can imagine Revan might take the lead if they teamed up, but the Exile was a strong and charismatic leader in their own right. You usually don't get to be a player character without being an epic hero in Star Wars games, and Kotor 2 was not an exception that regard. She should not be just a sidekick follower. Plus, I think Kotor 2 was supposed to be in part about coming out of Revan's shadow. A story involving both of them, they should be near equals. And after all that had happened, I don't know if they necessarily would have liked each other to begin with either.

Revan and his crew got very little mention and the Exile and hers got even less. I think they and their friends should have appeared in the Jedi's historical archives, or possibly somebody notes in the Sith Empire about how their sacrifice delayed the invasion. And the way it happened in the story feels the reverse of an epic sacrifice for all characters involved. I would have imagined they'd team up to destabilize the Sith Empire's political structure or crippled their war machine before being defeated by the Emperor in a massive struggle.

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SoonerJBD
12.08.2012 , 11:34 PM | #10
The truth is Revan and the Exile were ruined at the end of KOTOR 2. The gameplay of KOTOR 2 was excellent. I love all the additions they made. The advanced classes, the additional force powers, being able to train companions as Jedi. It was all great. But the story writing was terrible. Sion and Nihilus were cartoon character bad guys. The ending was confusing, unsatisfying, and it left little room for writing a good ending for both Revan and the Exile. I was honestly surprised at how well they salvaged something with what they did in the novel, but it still stunk.