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Is this class quest any fun?

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > Classes > Jedi Consular
Is this class quest any fun?

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ZoeTuah
11.27.2012 , 10:58 AM | #11
I thought part 1 was the most interesting actually. Part 3 was cool, but after the tedious stretch of Part 2, it didn't feel climactic in the slightest.

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Kitru
11.27.2012 , 12:21 PM | #12
Having run through the story twice, as a DS Sage and an LS Shadow, I honestly preferred the LS path. It just felt more legitimate/realistic, especially since the DS options for your quest feel more like "I'm a vindictive murderer that is willfully killing you rather than saving you", and it does seem kind of odd that you get lauded and (spoiler) placed on the Jedi Council if you're oozing Dark Side and killing people rampantly, unless you're using some kind of outside justification not really supported by the written lines (the justification most often used is "you may be evil, but you're evil working for our purposes and working within our guidelines" or simply assuming that the people you're reporting to trust your answers implicitly and never bother to check or even wonder why so many people you seem to encounter just end up dying in a continual string of coincidences and failed attempts at redemption/conversion).

To enjoy the Consular story, you have to enjoy the world building and development of side characters more than or as much as running around killing bad guys and doing awesome adventure-y things. The best comparison would be that the Knight story is like KotOR 1 (wherein you play Revan, running around doing awesome things, with an explicit and well known villain right from the start, and your companions are really just there as color on your path to awesomeness) whereas the Consular is more like KotOR 2 (wherein you play the Exile, spending most of your time dealing with problems with complex solutions and outcomes, moral dilemmas, and NPCs that are more than just scenery, not to mention always fighting a "mystery evil" that you're not even sure who it is or what they look like until you finally confront them/force them to reveal themselves).

The Knight is, explicitly, a warrior, and their story follows that vein quite closely; the Consular, on the other hand, is a diplomat, a teacher, a secret keeper, and an investigator. It's a much more complex job description and, as such, requires a story with more mystery, lore, and world building than the action/adventure of the Knight story.

Personally, I loved the Consular story and preferred it over the Knight one. The Knight felt more akin to being told to "go hunt down X" over and over again. It was just a continual series of explicit commands. The Consular quest seemed to provide a story with much more open ended and complex problems (Jedi Masters are going crazy throughout the Republic; figure out the cause and solve it however you feel is best for Act 1, diplomacy and mystery for Acts 2 and 3). Of course, the fact that you ride at the head of 3 personal armies of elite ***-kickers at the end of the story probably helped a bit (although you don't actually get to see any of said armies, except for their leaders).

The Consular story is strange in that, unlike most of the other stories which are either love-it-or-hate-it or largely considered to be mediocre, the Consular story runs the entire gamut of utterly despised to favorite overall story, which is one of the reasons why it's so hard to explicitly pin down. It's definitely got elements that some people won't really like (the companions definitely take some getting used to since you get a *single* Force user who is a bit saccharine for some peoples' tastes, though the "slow" progression of the story and lack of major confrontation right from the start often come up), but it's also got some that, what I will call, a more "refined" palette will appreciate more (mystery, diplomacy, world building). It's hard to say with any accuracy whether a person will or won't like the Consular story. It's just one of those things that you have to try out to see if you like it or not.
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DragonAgeOrgins
11.29.2012 , 09:44 AM | #13
Thanks for the above post. I do find missions that aren't just fighting and actually solving some problems are interesting. Perhaps I will give it a try. I guess the only way to know for sure is to play it. I'm finishing my Trooper as we speak and as soon as that is complete I can start on this storyline.

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LadyNashira
12.02.2012 , 10:00 PM | #14
I have to force myself to work on the class quest line for my Sage. I'm at one of the low points now and for the first time on any toon I thinking of skipping the class quests.

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12.04.2012 , 04:13 PM | #15
i agree with kitru,completely.
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Duduneco
12.04.2012 , 10:26 PM | #16
The reason people don't like it is because your choices have NO consequences what so ever.
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Darka
12.06.2012 , 03:21 AM | #17
After finding out it was written by a former Mass Effect Fan fiction author on the Bioware forums, it seemed to explain it all. Just felt so lack luster and jumbled together. When you compare it to the other stories just feels below par.
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12.06.2012 , 11:52 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Duduneco View Post
The reason people don't like it is because your choices have NO consequences what so ever.
This is spot on.

**Spoilers**

You end up building an alliance, allegedly 'leading' an army, becoming a Jedi Master (and sitting on the Council by the end), and having numerous 'choices' of how to deal with people...

... All of which have no consequences whatsoever. You can't do anything to make your 'army' stronger, in fact you can't even use it; they do nothing other than act as scenery in your quest cutscenes; it exists purely for the benefit of dialogue.

You gain no perks for being made a Master (that Master's Retreat from the beginning of the game? Yeah, just an empty building with nothing in it); hell NPCs don't even react differently to you depending on your rank or repute other than in sycophantic quest dialogues.


All in all, it could be rather grandiose and wonderful, but it's not. Bioware has succeeded in making a game in which your actions and choices go entirely unrewarded and without consequences in reality, other than affecting what a quest NPC says to you in a cutscene dialogue (and sometimes not even that). I ended the Consular story feeling entirely unfulfilled - cool, I now sit on the Jedi High Council. Except, I don't, do I? Not even in my own single player way. Even my companions don't acknowledge it.

Frustrating and unfulfilling.

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Maxil
12.06.2012 , 06:52 PM | #19
Consular is the best story in the game hands down.

It comes with extreme depth and development, with a lot going on behind the scenes with intrigue.

However this comes at the price of less bang bang, in your face story progression.

It's the best story, in terms if you were going to watch it or read it.

Not so much the best interactive story, however. ADD kiddies won't find much from it.