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So rant on F2P is mostly about some minor restriction

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Slowpokeking
11.23.2012 , 10:30 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenceriker View Post
I challenge you to play a Smuggler with just 2 quickslots. It needs to be 4 for F2P/Preferred with an additional 2 which are purchasable from the CC store you want to buy it.
Yeah, among the 4 classes I've played, Sniper needs at least 3 while there is coverbar.

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Idunhavaname
11.23.2012 , 10:37 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenceriker View Post
I challenge you to play a Smuggler with just 2 quickslots. It needs to be 4 for F2P/Preferred with an additional 2 which are purchasable from the CC store if you want to buy it.
Challenge accepted and completed as Gunslinger! (unless you add stance bar as a quickbar).Only annoying part is you literally lose your first bar if you enter cover so you'll have to do alot of abilities readjustments.

Granted I actually did use 3 quickbars but 3rd one only had transport ,mounts, and some cooldowns (could have moved CDs to Bar 2). I also play a Jedi Guardian and I can tell you theres ALOT more buttons you need to push and IF you really try, you can actually reduce the quickbars you use from 3-4 to just 2.

It will be alot more uncomfortable of course but it's not impossible.
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Tenceriker
11.23.2012 , 10:37 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Vandicus View Post
They are intending to sell additional character slots(up to the current limit of 12, and perhaps more)
What's the big deal about the field revive droid? Most games don't have a self-field rez like that, and people are unlikely to die much while leveling anyways. Also, with so many people around its possible that someone will rez you, since unlike some other games it doesn't cost an item or something to do so.
While what you say of resurrection works on the first 4 planets or so, it doesn't work out so well once people start slowing down because levels aren't being given to you on a platter.
Relabeling future patches as Expansions, just like EA Louse said a year ago. Who got the last laugh?

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Tenceriker
11.23.2012 , 10:46 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Idunhavaname View Post
Challenge accepted and completed as Gunslinger! (unless you add stance bar as a quickbar).Only annoying part is you lose you literally lose your first bar if you enter cover so you'll have to do alot of abilities readjustments.

Granted I actually did use 3 quickbars but 3rd one only had transport ,mounts, and some cooldowns (could have moved CDs to Bar 2). I also play a Jedi Guardian and I can tell you theres ALOT more buttons you need to push and IF you really try, you can actually reduce the quickbars you use from 3-4 to just 2.

It will be alot more uncomfortable of course but it's not impossible.
So you admit you cheated and still believe in what you added to the conversation? I don't even know what more to say.

The point of easing the restrictions isn't to say every F2Player can't play the game as it is, but rather it's a labor of pain more so than enjoyment. Sure, EA can continue to charge for things that should be in the F2P experience or they can concentrate on what items that add to the game and make players want to sub or buy from the CC for enjoyment's sake. A perfect example of an idea presented earlier would be giving extra XP to subscribers or purchasable from the CC store, and regular XP to F2P/Pref players. Another example which is actually in the game would be the Flashpoint/PvP/Ops weekly passes. These items are based around the concept of if you enjoy an element of the game why not subscribe to SWTOR or try it out for a week or every couple of weeks for CC.
Relabeling future patches as Expansions, just like EA Louse said a year ago. Who got the last laugh?

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Slowpokeking
11.23.2012 , 10:50 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenceriker View Post
So you admit you cheated and still believe in what you added to the conversation? I don't even know what more to say.

The point of easing the restrictions isn't to say every F2Player can't play the game as it is, but rather it's a labor of pain more so than enjoyment. Sure, EA can continue to charge for things that should be in the F2P experience or they can concentrate on what items that add to the game and make players want to sub or buy from the CC for enjoyment's sake. A perfect example of an idea presented earlier would be giving extra XP to subscribers or purchasable from the CC store, and regular XP to F2P/Pref players. Another example which is actually in the game would be the Flashpoint/PvP/Ops weekly passes. These items are based around the concept of if you enjoy an element of the game why not subscribe to SWTOR or try it out for a week or every couple of weeks for CC.
Yeah, such annoying minor restriction is not going to earn them much money, mostly keep some players off, so it's better to add the bar to 3 for f2p and 4 for preferred or former subs.

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Vandicus
11.23.2012 , 10:52 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenceriker View Post
So you admit you cheated and still believe in what you added to the conversation? I don't even know what more to say.

The point of easing the restrictions isn't to say every F2Player can't play the game as it is, but rather it's a labor of pain more so than enjoyment. Sure, EA can continue to charge for things that should be in the F2P experience or they can concentrate on what items that add to the game and make players want to sub or buy from the CC for enjoyment's sake. A perfect example of an idea presented earlier would be giving extra XP to subscribers or purchasable from the CC store, and regular XP to F2P/Pref players. Another example which is actually in the game would be the Flashpoint/PvP/Ops weekly passes. These items are based around the concept of if you enjoy an element of the game why not subscribe to SWTOR or try it out for a week or every couple of weeks for CC.
Cheated? He didn't even know of your challenge when he did it. He played combat wise with only 2 quickbars to 50, which is exactly what f2p is supposed to offer players, and he didn't even have to, even though the extra quickbars were their for use they were so unneeded that he went without them. No access to quicktravel and such would've been a trivial change to his playing.
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Idunhavaname
11.23.2012 , 10:56 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenceriker View Post
So you admit you cheated and still believe in what you added to the conversation? I don't even know what more to say.

The point of easing the restrictions isn't to say every F2Player can't play the game as it is, but rather it's a labor of pain more so than enjoyment. Sure, EA can continue to charge for things that should be in the F2P experience or they can concentrate on what items that add to the game and make players want to sub or buy from the CC for enjoyment's sake. A perfect example of an idea presented earlier would be giving extra XP to subscribers or purchasable from the CC store, and regular XP to F2P/Pref players. Another example which is actually in the game would be the Flashpoint/PvP/Ops weekly passes. These items are based around the concept of if you enjoy an element of the game why not subscribe to SWTOR or try it out for a week or every couple of weeks for CC.
Im going to add emphasis on the "POSSIBLE" and the "If I wanted to I could have moved it to second bar". You claimed that you NEED (as in we NEED waster to survive as a living thing) and im saying it is POSSIBLE.

We all know the F2P restricions will not change simply because its EA but it might for prefered. I don't like the idea of limiting UIs and think it should be removed but we need to be on a realistic scale even for money hungry EA. If we just say "ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE FREE EVEN FOR FREE PLAYERS" I can bet you someone in the top floor of the EA building will start laughing.

And yes I do agree with the things you said that the frame for subscribers should be for interesting content instead of freeing yourself from restrictions.
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Slowpokeking
11.23.2012 , 11:15 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Idunhavaname View Post
Im going to add emphasis on the "POSSIBLE" and the "If I wanted to I could have moved it to second bar". You claimed that you NEED (as in we NEED waster to survive as a living thing) and im saying it is POSSIBLE.

We all know the F2P restricions will not change simply because its EA but it might for prefered. I don't like the idea of limiting UIs and think it should be removed but we need to be on a realistic scale even for money hungry EA. If we just say "ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE FREE EVEN FOR FREE PLAYERS" I can bet you someone in the top floor of the EA building will start laughing.

And yes I do agree with the things you said that the frame for subscribers should be for interesting content instead of freeing yourself from restrictions.
EA should look a bit further, let more players enjoy the game will bring them much more profit than these little restriction.

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Cindikle
11.23.2012 , 11:36 PM | #19
An idea could be that anyone who subs at least once gets some things unlocked permanently.

If they want to be greedy they can make it only last 6 months or so instead of permanently.

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simsplayer
11.23.2012 , 11:43 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
Action Bar, Mods, bank access, character slot.

I think it's ok to remove these because they won't make much money and only let people feel awful.

Give f2p 3 action bars, subs who returned as f2p 4.

Remove the mod limitation for subs who returned and new players who have at least 1 level 50.

Limited bank access for them.

Let subs who come back as f2p be able to access all of their characters, just not allow them to create new ones if they reach the limit already.
and maybe a once a week access to the galactic market (to purchase any items that don't require cartel coins) or at least give f2p player some cartel coins.