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marshmallow
11.17.2012 , 04:15 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by thrakkemarn View Post
Perhaps I could ask you a different question, sans all the bs floating around.

I am the GM of a guild with a few marauders whom I want to spur into trying carnage. I do not have a level 50 marauder to jump on and begin experimenting with. I would GREATLY appreciate it if you could explain in a nutshell your priority/rotation. The rest I can extrapolate from your parse and AMR profile.

Is this your profile on AMR and the gear you used to achieve those numbers? http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...0-95d6363d18c3

Thanks in advance, hopefully you are willing to respond.
Yup thats my ask mr robot. I'll tell you that my rotation is centered around 2 different gores.
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11.19.2012 , 01:51 PM | #72
Well I guess /golfclap?

One thing I have learned already in this game is that every parser, reports different numbers. I have not use the one the OP is linking so can't really comment on that one. I have used Mox, SWMon, and ACT. They all report the same fight differently. SWMON is by far the most forgiving in calculating dps. Mox seems in the middle, and ACT is very unforgiving. For example a 1400 dps total in Mox actually repots as 1800 range in SWMON, and 1100 in ACT. How "friendly" his parse choice is I don't know. The totals though seem to really favor a very "friendly" parser...at least by what I can gage from doing actual op runs with various parsers. 2k+ meters only see in fast aoe trash pulls. Now I have ran HM TFB with many of the leading progression guilds on my server (Shadowlands) and they all use Mox or SWMON, etc during the runs. I can see how I am ranking on my mara against other mara's, mercs, sorcs, snipers and again only time I see 2k+ is during fast aoe trash pulls...oh and of course again Kephess when he is debuffed from the pillars.

Gear wise the OP is in 63 gear. Maybe doesn't have dread guard pieces but pretty much dread guard equivalent with 63 armor, mods, enhancements, hilts. Now my mara is not full 63 yet. Have my main hand 63 hilt, and 63 enhancements currently, and should have my 63 mods by the weekend. But looking at his askmrrobot character even with an exotech might stim and full buffs I am a bit confused. He has less than 2k str, 709 bonus dmg, and 40% crit. Over all not bad stats. High crit which may boost dps a bit more than my lower crit build. But seeing how my mara is in 61 armor/mod, 63 main hand hilt/enhancments, matrix cube, and battlemaster relic (vrs his two warleader relics) I am sitting at 716 bonus dmg but only a 29% crit total and almost 2200 str. Main hand dmg on the high end is like 1225+. So stat wise I am comparable with the OP...not as well geared (not full 63) and less crit but can't buy that crit makes that much difference...his parse shows a 30% crit rate during a fight... similarly even at a 29% stat screen crit rating I have parsed at a 30% crit rate on various parsers. Yet my average boss fight dps ranges from 1200-1800 dps. On debuffed fights (like HM TFB Kephess) I can get upwards of 2300, and in fast aoe trash pulls where I use zerk to spam vicious sweep I can push 2500-3200 dps. Operations test dummy parses are unrealistic and not really indicative of a true ops boss fight (movement, phases etc are not accounted for) I can't really say yea that is good dps or not. More so if you have people debuffing for you off the side.

Again the OP's gear is pretty good...63 level gear, stats are fairly nice (personally I would loose some crit and build more pwr in his case but then I am pwr hungry), I have to question how friendly or forgiving the parse choice he is using actually is. Our gear's are not equal but dmg potential is not very far off from each other. I have a hard time accepting a 2200 long duration, single target parse claim as a standard for the class. The skills used in the parse (Or the rotation) is pretty standard and no real magic combination there so the outside influence has me really suspect. But then opinions are like a holes, everyone has one and they often stink so what does it matter. If you play your class well, and are successful in raiding, who cares if you have a 1800 parse or a 2200 parse. From my experience most times the 4 dps are fairly close to each other in dps totals after a boss kill. Dmg done is within 20k or less between each dps. If one person is putting out significantly more than the other dps classes then the other classes need to work on their rotations/gear or its pretty clear evidence of a imbalance that could bring about unnecessary nerfs due to bad/falsified reporting. Bragging rights are one thing and I guess for some people its what they live for. But people tend to take such brags as a standard and start throwing them around as if they are common accounts. Next thing you know Mara's are going to be doing 5k dps and shooting lightning out their arses as the next round of OMG NERF MARAUDERS refreshes on one class forum or another. Until I see more people posting similar results going to have to figure this is just a little self epeen abuse by the OP done with questionable parameters.
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thrakkemarn
11.20.2012 , 04:14 PM | #73
He wasn't using a parser, he uploaded his log to TorParse which is as close as possible to 100% accurate and very very consistent.

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marshmallow
11.23.2012 , 02:10 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Datku View Post
Well I guess /golfclap?

One thing I have learned already in this game is that every parser, reports different numbers. I have not use the one the OP is linking so can't really comment on that one. I have used Mox, SWMon, and ACT. They all report the same fight differently. SWMON is by far the most forgiving in calculating dps. Mox seems in the middle, and ACT is very unforgiving. For example a 1400 dps total in Mox actually repots as 1800 range in SWMON, and 1100 in ACT. How "friendly" his parse choice is I don't know. The totals though seem to really favor a very "friendly" parser...at least by what I can gage from doing actual op runs with various parsers. 2k+ meters only see in fast aoe trash pulls. Now I have ran HM TFB with many of the leading progression guilds on my server (Shadowlands) and they all use Mox or SWMON, etc during the runs. I can see how I am ranking on my mara against other mara's, mercs, sorcs, snipers and again only time I see 2k+ is during fast aoe trash pulls...oh and of course again Kephess when he is debuffed from the pillars.

Gear wise the OP is in 63 gear. Maybe doesn't have dread guard pieces but pretty much dread guard equivalent with 63 armor, mods, enhancements, hilts. Now my mara is not full 63 yet. Have my main hand 63 hilt, and 63 enhancements currently, and should have my 63 mods by the weekend. But looking at his askmrrobot character even with an exotech might stim and full buffs I am a bit confused. He has less than 2k str, 709 bonus dmg, and 40% crit. Over all not bad stats. High crit which may boost dps a bit more than my lower crit build. But seeing how my mara is in 61 armor/mod, 63 main hand hilt/enhancments, matrix cube, and battlemaster relic (vrs his two warleader relics) I am sitting at 716 bonus dmg but only a 29% crit total and almost 2200 str. Main hand dmg on the high end is like 1225+. So stat wise I am comparable with the OP...not as well geared (not full 63) and less crit but can't buy that crit makes that much difference...his parse shows a 30% crit rate during a fight... similarly even at a 29% stat screen crit rating I have parsed at a 30% crit rate on various parsers. Yet my average boss fight dps ranges from 1200-1800 dps. On debuffed fights (like HM TFB Kephess) I can get upwards of 2300, and in fast aoe trash pulls where I use zerk to spam vicious sweep I can push 2500-3200 dps. Operations test dummy parses are unrealistic and not really indicative of a true ops boss fight (movement, phases etc are not accounted for) I can't really say yea that is good dps or not. More so if you have people debuffing for you off the side.

Again the OP's gear is pretty good...63 level gear, stats are fairly nice (personally I would loose some crit and build more pwr in his case but then I am pwr hungry), I have to question how friendly or forgiving the parse choice he is using actually is. Our gear's are not equal but dmg potential is not very far off from each other. I have a hard time accepting a 2200 long duration, single target parse claim as a standard for the class. The skills used in the parse (Or the rotation) is pretty standard and no real magic combination there so the outside influence has me really suspect. But then opinions are like a holes, everyone has one and they often stink so what does it matter. If you play your class well, and are successful in raiding, who cares if you have a 1800 parse or a 2200 parse. From my experience most times the 4 dps are fairly close to each other in dps totals after a boss kill. Dmg done is within 20k or less between each dps. If one person is putting out significantly more than the other dps classes then the other classes need to work on their rotations/gear or its pretty clear evidence of a imbalance that could bring about unnecessary nerfs due to bad/falsified reporting. Bragging rights are one thing and I guess for some people its what they live for. But people tend to take such brags as a standard and start throwing them around as if they are common accounts. Next thing you know Mara's are going to be doing 5k dps and shooting lightning out their arses as the next round of OMG NERF MARAUDERS refreshes on one class forum or another. Until I see more people posting similar results going to have to figure this is just a little self epeen abuse by the OP done with questionable parameters.
Well, torparse is 100% accurate so your whole point is basically irrelevant. Also, in most boss fights I'm in the 1800-2100 range, so you must just not be very good, as well as the rest of your guild.

Also I'll try and get some operations parses in here next week. I've been busy leveling a sentinel to 50 and whatnot.
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Yokozuki
11.25.2012 , 03:06 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by marshmallow View Post
Well, torparse is 100% accurate so your whole point is basically irrelevant. Also, in most boss fights I'm in the 1800-2100 range, so you must just not be very good, as well as the rest of your guild.
Based on your parses at TORParse.com, you're in the 1300 to 1800 DPS range on the SM boss fights; at least as recently as 11/14/12. That must have been Story Mode TFB as your group's TFB HM wipe-fest from 11/13/12 was painful to read, but shows that you're in the 1300-1600 range when the difficulty rises. That's not hard for a mara; and it's certainly not exceptional. Definitely understand how you'd be 'too busy' to share that kind of stuff.

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BlznSmri
11.26.2012 , 08:15 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Yokozuki View Post
Based on your parses at TORParse.com, you're in the 1300 to 1800 DPS range on the SM boss fights; at least as recently as 11/14/12. That must have been Story Mode TFB as your group's TFB HM wipe-fest from 11/13/12 was painful to read, but shows that you're in the 1300-1600 range when the difficulty rises. That's not hard for a mara; and it's certainly not exceptional. Definitely understand how you'd be 'too busy' to share that kind of stuff.
TorParse doesn't show effective DPS (it shows dps through out the duration of combat, not the dps where you're actually on the boss). If you were to remove time gaps of more than 2 seconds his dps would shoot way up.
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11.26.2012 , 09:08 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by marshmallow View Post
Well, torparse is 100% accurate so your whole point is basically irrelevant. Also, in most boss fights I'm in the 1800-2100 range, so you must just not be very good, as well as the rest of your guild.
LOL the tactic of the weak minded. I am god so you must suck LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I think that "justification" you just used pretty much explains you are full of it...it being a lot more than just full of yourself.

Also love how TORParse is touted as 100% accurate because you upload your parse file to them and it translates it. Nothing like SWmon, Mox, ACT that also reads your parse file and translates them...WITHOUT HAVING TO UPLOAD. Yes you would think reading a parse file and reporting everything would be equal but nope. Seriously...try different parsers reading the same fight and they all will report differently. I have also upgraded more of my gear (now at 735 bonus dmg 1240 on the high end of primary dmg w/ 63 enhancements/mods/main hand hilt). And you know what....I hit 1800 dps but still only see 2k parses if any multiple mob pulls are involved...ie AOE parses.

Let me say again nice laugh on the you just suck part and then to top yourself you claim my guild sucks as well. I have ran with most of my servers TOP progression guilds (Death Sentence, Revenant, Shadow Dragons etc), and have not seen one...ONE dps report the numbers you claim so even if I sucked on my toon surely full Dread Commander geared players in top progression guilds that watch dps meters like they come from god itself would have at least one of their over geared players able to get in "range" of your claims...but nope not seen it. Cool story though bro.
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BlznSmri
11.26.2012 , 11:10 AM | #78
Why would you use other parsers that aren't 100% accurate?
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11.26.2012 , 11:32 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by BlznSmri View Post
Why would you use other parsers that aren't 100% accurate?

All parsers read the exact same combat log. The same log you upload to TORParse. That same log will have a TORPArse accounting that might not mesh with the MOX accounting, that wont match the SWMON accounting and wont match the ACT account despite all of them reading the exact same combat log. Which proves the point that if one varies from another then they all are not always accurate. You may claim TORParse is perfect but if it has to read the same combat log as every other parser out there then there is doubt. No parser is 100% accurate. Combat start/stop times effect things (parser A waits for 5 seconds out of combat to finish vrs parse B that waits 3 seconds, vrs parse C that waits 10 seconds etc). Also logs are just text files...easy to manipulate. All this is why so many games refuse to include a dmg meter in game because of how fickle they are and can be manipulated to report extraordinary high or shocking low damage. Data is only as good as the method used to collect it...and the combat log files are not good/precise. They were added as a concession to everyone wanting DPS meters and not supported (by an Official TM SWTOR DPS METER) because of the inherent differences of various reporting tools.
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11.26.2012 , 11:58 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Datku View Post
All parsers read the exact same combat log. The same log you upload to TORParse. That same log will have a TORPArse accounting that might not mesh with the MOX accounting, that wont match the SWMON accounting and wont match the ACT account despite all of them reading the exact same combat log. Which proves the point that if one varies from another then they all are not always accurate. You may claim TORParse is perfect but if it has to read the same combat log as every other parser out there then there is doubt. No parser is 100% accurate. Combat start/stop times effect things (parser A waits for 5 seconds out of combat to finish vrs parse B that waits 3 seconds, vrs parse C that waits 10 seconds etc). Also logs are just text files...easy to manipulate. All this is why so many games refuse to include a dmg meter in game because of how fickle they are and can be manipulated to report extraordinary high or shocking low damage. Data is only as good as the method used to collect it...and the combat log files are not good/precise. They were added as a concession to everyone wanting DPS meters and not supported (by an Official TM SWTOR DPS METER) because of the inherent differences of various reporting tools.
I can't argue against SWmon and ACT (never used them), but the primary difference between MOX's parser (the overlay) and TORParse is that MOX has to read the file as it's written, where as with TORParse there are no modifications being made to the log as it's read.

As for it waiting 3-5-10 seconds before it starts parsing, TORParse doesn't do that because it's not an active parse. It only registers from when the log says "Character Enterss Combat" to "X Kills character/ Character leaves Combat."
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