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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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criminalheretic
10.16.2012 , 05:04 PM | #11
A couple solutions, none of which involve creating a separate queue which would just drive up queue times, and discourage teamwork and grouping, which are the hallmark of an MMO.

1. Make ALL WZs ranked. Then use the matchmaking system that is already in place to match teams by average ranking. Wouldn't be perfect, but it would help some. People would complain about others ruining their ranking, but people are never at a loss for reasons to complain.

2. Unsub. Hate to see ya go, but that would be better than an MMO that discourages player grouping.

3. Quit the WZ. There is no deserter debuff. I used to argue very strongly against people leaving WZs, calling them cowards etc. That was in February. Now? It's simple cost/benefit analysis. If the cost in personal frustration is higher than the benefit of 80 comms and 2k creds, bounce. The only word of caution I would add is that if you find yourself quitting all the time, it's not because "everyone else" sucks. But hey, no one has any obligation to give anyone else someone to farm.

4. As always, group up. Maybe you play at odd hours, your friends don't play, etc etc etc. You can find 3 people of comparable skill level to make the going a little bit easier. If you can't, if everyone else on your faction at the time you play is a scrub, see the warning for option 3.
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Chlomamf
10.16.2012 , 05:09 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Monoth View Post
Less and less people are pvp'ing now, sometimes it takes 45-60 mins for a pop to happen.... I've noticed a trend on certain servers you get a few PvP guilds that do nothing but make up 4 man premades and ruin all the fun for people who just want jump into a quick warzone... What happens is you can go against a fully geared out premade who's on vent/mumble/team speak and they pretty much just own everyone...

Bioware you need to add a PUG only warzone option, this will level the playing field more and allow people to just have fun.... If not, less and less people are going to pvp due to frustration with the situation..
I would suggest going to a RP server to PvP, but even there there are premades.

The reason why people choose RP Servers for PvP Guilds/Premades is because they know they'd get owned if they Premaded on a PvP Server, so they go to a RP Server because there aren't as much PvP Guilds there, so it's just easy pickings.

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Doomsdaycomes
10.16.2012 , 05:17 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Chlomamf View Post
I would suggest going to a RP server to PvP, but even there there are premades.

The reason why people choose RP Servers for PvP Guilds/Premades is because they know they'd get owned if they Premaded on a PvP Server, so they go to a RP Server because there aren't as much PvP Guilds there, so it's just easy pickings.
Right... cause us Rp'ers couldn't possible know how to PvP. *Sighs*

I'm a roleplayer and a PvP'er. I run in premades all the time as well, both ranked and unranked... and I win a good percent of my matches. I also fight (and sometimes get owned) by enemy premades. The quoted post above is false, thanks.

Also... same old argument. No one's stopping other people from grouping up, vent/voice is fairly cheap, and you don't even need voice if you've got some instincts, reflexes, and half a brain.

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Zhaker
10.16.2012 , 05:47 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Monoth View Post
Less and less people are pvp'ing now, sometimes it takes 45-60 mins for a pop to happen.... I've noticed a trend on certain servers you get a few PvP guilds that do nothing but make up 4 man premades and ruin all the fun for people who just want jump into a quick warzone... What happens is you can go against a fully geared out premade who's on vent/mumble/team speak and they pretty much just own everyone...

Bioware you need to add a PUG only warzone option, this will level the playing field more and allow people to just have fun.... If not, less and less people are going to pvp due to frustration with the situation..
Sorry,

But to break it down mostly depends on a few factors:

- WZ Population: On Krath my first server, because it was so small. Premades DID kill our server. On Harbinger Premades exist but a majority of people PuG so its pretty good there.

- PuG Stupidity: The BIGGEST reason why people Premade isnt because they want to pwn people, its because they dont want to play with *******. If you havent been asked to join a premade then you might be one of them!

- Fun factor: Right now, too many PuGs are into DMing and not in objectives. Because hitting random **** is fun. Which I dont get because thats like hitting a training dummy really. But hey "whatever floats your boat!".

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The reality is Premades ARENT killing the game, you know whats killing the game, it's IDIOTS NOT DOING OBJECTIVES WZ REPEATEDLY. They're like sheep and not use their brain to work out where to go, the follow blindly to do random ****.

No communication even, its like talking to a brick wall when asking them to call incs. Maybe what we need is to make IDIOTS not do STUPID **** REPEATEDLY. If BW can figure this out, this game would be the best game ever!!!

The excuse of a premade/guild/whatever is drivel, if people are trying to do objectives and win then they can beat premades/guild/whatever (not easy but can be done).

Its when idiots have this fallacy of how OP a faction/class/player/premade that is whats making this game stupid.

NOTE: Being BAD and IMPROVING is fine. Being BAD and repeating it ad nauseum is not. You can start bad, I did, but you should be improving and trying to help your team rather than for yourself and stroke your epeen to top some charts you will never get.

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10.16.2012 , 05:55 PM | #15
we need solo ranked
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10.16.2012 , 06:12 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Apaolo View Post
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It must be because I destroy these pre mades. Is there any way we can give them more advantages so that I can have a challenge?
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DarthSabreth
10.16.2012 , 06:15 PM | #17
meh, i do pre-made with the guild but it only 4 people tops. sometimes we win and sometimes we lose but it is fustrating when you que solo. i think that bioware should limit pug ques to 2 person groups only so you can still pvp with a friend but not as 1/2 the team.
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VasKur
10.16.2012 , 06:40 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Veniras View Post
Bioware you need to add a PUG only warzone option, this will level the playing field more and allow people to just have fun....
If not, less and less people are going to pvp due to frustration with the situation..
We know. As the issue has not been adressed by BW the only option you can do as a paying customer is to vote with your wallet

what will it change? i mean PUG only warzone option. Premades still will enter into WZ all together. don't say you don't know the situation when
you q at the same time with your friends for example, and the chance that you will get pop together is about 90%.
so they'll do the same things.
about PUG only warzone option again. for this it seems that Bioware needs to rethink mathtcmaking system.
it should form a group of people with roughly equal Valor rank, gear, etc. atm it is simple queue rule - who first joined the queue, then he'll be the first who got pop for wz.
in any case, developers don't read all of these topics in the forum, so ... we will not see any changes.

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Chlomamf
10.16.2012 , 06:46 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
Right... cause us Rp'ers couldn't possible know how to PvP. *Sighs*

I'm a roleplayer and a PvP'er. I run in premades all the time as well, both ranked and unranked... and I win a good percent of my matches. I also fight (and sometimes get owned) by enemy premades. The quoted post above is false, thanks.

Also... same old argument. No one's stopping other people from grouping up, vent/voice is fairly cheap, and you don't even need voice if you've got some instincts, reflexes, and half a brain.
First off, did I say RPers don't know how to PvP? No, Learn2read.

Second, what you said about getting owned by other premades proves my point even further: you decide to Premade on RP servers because you'd get totally trashed on a PvP Server, but on an RP server you'd get trashed less often, so thanks for that.

And you basically lost the entire argument when you mention you Premaded. No durr a Premader is gonna try defend themselves.

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HawkRyno
10.16.2012 , 08:22 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhaker View Post

- PuG Stupidity: The BIGGEST reason why people Premade isnt because they want to pwn people, its because they dont want to play with *******. If you havent been asked to join a premade then you might be one of them!

- Fun factor: Right now, too many PuGs are into DMing and not in objectives. Because hitting random **** is fun. Which I dont get because thats like hitting a training dummy really. But hey "whatever floats your boat!".

=============================================

The reality is Premades ARENT killing the game, you know whats killing the game, it's IDIOTS NOT DOING OBJECTIVES WZ REPEATEDLY. They're like sheep and not use their brain to work out where to go, the follow blindly to do random ****.

No communication even, its like talking to a brick wall when asking them to call incs. Maybe what we need is to make IDIOTS not do STUPID **** REPEATEDLY. If BW can figure this out, this game would be the best game ever!!!

The excuse of a premade/guild/whatever is drivel, if people are trying to do objectives and win then they can beat premades/guild/whatever (not easy but can be done).

Its when idiots have this fallacy of how OP a faction/class/player/premade that is whats making this game stupid.

NOTE: Being BAD and IMPROVING is fine. Being BAD and repeating it ad nauseum is not. You can start bad, I did, but you should be improving and trying to help your team rather than for yourself and stroke your epeen to top some charts you will never get.
This and people seeing that they are up against a premade and foretelling doom. Yes they may have voice chat clients and yes they play together all the time. But how long does it take to type "INC EAST" or to type a game plan at the beginning of a match? There are only four war zones and neither one requires a complicated strategy. It only requires players to work together to win. When they don't listen to plans, don't call incs, or run off to la la land trying to shoot anything that moves instead of guarding a turret.