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Jedi Knight vs Jedi Consular story (underrated?)

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Jedi Knight vs Jedi Consular story (underrated?)

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Adaliaya
03.22.2014 , 07:05 AM | #31
I've seen both and I enjoyed both. Either was bad and both IMO better than Sith stories but I prefer Knight here.

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Kaisernick
03.22.2014 , 09:06 AM | #32
i have to admit when i first started playing the consular way back when the game was realized i enjoyed the story up until nar shaddar, i got a tad sick of the same thing over and over again heal mad jedi so i left him for about 3 or 4 mouths. i finally tred through chapter 1 and then like many i agree the rest is amazing i was hooked.

im not fond of a few of the consular companions i like Zenith a qyzen but i really dislike ireso and much like the Zalek i think your padawan has far to few duologue they both seem rather rushed but the story is far more of what a jedi truely is and like Bioware have said is does feel more like your Obi wan while the knight is clearly based on Anikan always rushing into battle.

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Knorikus
03.22.2014 , 09:15 AM | #33
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I've heard that a lot of people complain that the story for the Jedi Consular is really boring, and I completely disagree. Let me explain... (Warning: Spoilers below!)

Bioware themselves have said that the Consular is based on Obi-Wan Kanobi, while the Knight is based on Luke Skywalker. So, first off I will admit that Consular story does start off kind of slow, however, by the start of Chapter 2, the Consular character really finds his feet and he really becomes...well, in terms of personality & abilities you very much become like Master Satele Shan in many ways, you know? You're still a relatively young Jedi, but throughout the prologue even, its heavily implied that there's a stud in there, a rock inside that alien who's exceptionally strong in the Force, that could be a better Jedi leader than Master Yuon was, a better Jedi leader than the Order has seen in a long time.

You start off like all jedi, you know, as a padawan. Then you go about saving these afflicted Jedi Masters, and you've got this Jedi Council's pet healer/wise man kind of personality, and by design, you know? You can't just start the character off perfect, there's nowhere to go from there.

And up until the end of Chapter 1 your character prefers words to action, much by design. But in Chapter 2 it's time for him to step it up, because the Republic is in danger, and the Empire plans to hit them while they're vulnerable. As thanks for all the Jedi you saved and defeating this plaguemaster, you end up becoming a Jedi Master & Barsenthor,the latter of which is a title of extreme respect given to a trusted diplomat and warden of the order. Your job in Chapter 2 is to convince a number of planets that the Republic cares about them by fighting the Imperial presence on each world - because if those worlds do secede there's no way the Republic will be able to survive the Sith Empire's assault. And then in Chapter 3, when the peace treaty is shattered by the Empire, is where you find that next gear and really become this Jedi Master that all of the Rift Alliance worlds & the races you recruit unequivocally tell, "Yes, we will follow you to the seat of the Empire and beyond." The final boss of the Consular story I won't spoil for you, but suffice it to say that it really played out in a way I did not expect. And at the end of the story, you end up becoming part of the Jedi Council (though you still go off and fight the Empire on Illum). How awesome is that?!

As for the Jedi Knight, correct me if I'm wrong (I haven't actually played one), but from what I've seen a lot of it is predictable lightsaber duel after predictable lightsaber duel. Even though it does culminate with you killing the Emperor (which is undeniably EPIC), according to the lore behind the scenes, not only does he ultimately actually survive, but instead of removing the evil influence and allowing the Empire to accept a new path of life as the Knight had intended, they're now more determined than ever to destroy the Republic and the Jedi.

Having said that, I think the main reason why so many people prefer the Jedi Knight's storyline is because it involves a lot more action, remembering what the Jedi are supposed to be about. This lawful good overdrive. We're supposed to be superheroes, you know? Even if we are defenders of peace, we can't just sit around while the Empire kills innocents, murders Jedi, and enslaves force-sensitives. And I think a lot of players want to feel that overdrive -- we're in it to make the galaxy a better place. And I think also the Trooper storyline has its own version of that, you know, stopping to consider what's happened the past couple of years and what's been lost and fighting for the good of the Republic and all. Plus I know a lot of people really like classic warrior classes in MMOs (I myself have always kind of liked healer classes and I would definitely point out that the Consular, especially the Sage, is not really intended to be a "warrior" or "fighter" lore-wise)

But I definitely think the Consular's story is very well-written in it's own way. You'll be proud to be a Jedi by the end of this thing, regardless of which class you choose.

(On an unrelated note: I've always thought the male Consular voice sounds a lot like Alex Trebek.)

Anyone else who has played both a JK & JC agree?
You refer to the consular class as a "he" throughout this post.

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MetalGenocide
03.23.2014 , 07:47 AM | #34
Not played JK fully yet, but I did find my JC quite boring, but I think this was mostly due to the male voice acting rather than the story.
Just felt, emotionless and dull ( I know Jedi aren't meant to show emotions as such, but even Obi-wan showed some emotion.) Not played female JC though, so can't say there.
Probably didn't help i was leveling as a healer either :P

Sith Warrior is still the best <3 So Much Fun XD
Using 'Go-fast' stickers on my Lightsaber's increased my Alacrity Rating by point oh-oh-oh-oh eight percent!

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FabulousDoctor
03.23.2014 , 02:00 PM | #35
The female Consular and Female Inquisitor voices have one thing I really enjoy - a lot of their options make them come off as very naive and well intentioned people. The Inquisitor can basically be 'yes mommy thank you' when dealing with Zash, and the Consular is very 'oh no bad things are happening stop bad thigns D:'

It makes them very entertaining, and I certainly never found the Consular dull or emotionless.

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DomiSotto
03.24.2014 , 06:22 AM | #36
I've just finished Chapter 1, and for me the story picked up on Alderaan. Class Quest really resonated well with the Planetary Quest there, and I finally had companions I could care about, Tharan and Holiday. Tharan really kept me playing through Tatooine, because the writer and the va manged to capture the vain, brilliant and smug feel of a university creature. Holiday is a brilliant touch too, with a number of mysteries, aka is she a real woman (she is very much like the holos of the Jedi Masters the JC sees in the Prologue) and the whole 'what is sentience' and 'could you betray your sister' implied bit... aww.

And, the ending of Chapter 1 was epic enough for about anyone. It downplayed the whole dying/YOU are healed aspect, but other than that, pretty nice! And now we are only a Bonus Series away from meeting Zenith. Can't wait

JK roll-up of the chapter one was quite emotional though, and the way Kira is tied up in everything made me sad, because Tharan had little more than a couple of interjections here and there. But, Kira seemed to be so far the most story-invested companion I have seen. She feels like a Jaheira of this game (if anyone remembers Jaheira... doubt it).

Now, I am about to go back to what I love the most - chasing Skavak down. I still love the Smuggler's run the best so far.

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Adaliaya
03.24.2014 , 09:42 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Knorikus View Post
You refer to the consular class as a "he" throughout this post.
Propably mostly because it's faster to type "he" than "he/she"

My Sage is female and I talk about her as she, maybe posters consular is male:-/

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Darth-Obvious
03.25.2014 , 05:24 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Adaliaya View Post
Propably mostly because it's faster to type "he" than "he/she"

My Sage is female and I talk about her as she, maybe posters consular is male:-/
I'm pretty sure it's because the TC's character was/is a male.

In terms of being male or female the Consular always struck me as being female due to things like having a female master, or the male Consular not getting their romance companion till their last companion, and as someone else pointed out earlier the Knight seems to be more like Revan (Male) while the Consular seems to be more like the Exile (Female)

As to the topic at hand, just imagine how the story could've been had they combined the two Jedi stories. As in a single Jedi focused story that takes the best elements from both stories and ditched the stuff that didn't work, or heck keep all of it so that the player could have that many more class missions through the game. I also feel like the same thing could be applied to the the Warrior/Inquisitor storylines as well.

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Adaliaya
03.28.2014 , 04:33 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth-Obvious View Post
I'm pretty sure it's because the TC's character was/is a male.

In terms of being male or female the Consular always struck me as being female due to things like having a female master, or the male Consular not getting their romance companion till their last companion, and as someone else pointed out earlier the Knight seems to be more like Revan (Male) while the Consular seems to be more like the Exile (Female)

As to the topic at hand, just imagine how the story could've been had they combined the two Jedi stories. As in a single Jedi focused story that takes the best elements from both stories and ditched the stuff that didn't work, or heck keep all of it so that the player could have that many more class missions through the game. I
also feel like the same thing could be applied to the the Warrior/Inquisitor storylines as well.
I had similar immersion too I played many story/story heavy side missions
with my friend playing Sentinel and me Sage. He is male and I am female. Not saying it couldn't have worked other way too but for us female consular and male knight felt right choice immediately. We basically chose classes based on voice acting at beginning, I'm glad choices fitted so well

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DARTHOSIRUS
03.28.2014 , 05:05 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by MetalGenocide View Post
Not played JK fully yet, but I did find my JC quite boring, but I think this was mostly due to the male voice acting rather than the story.
Just felt, emotionless and dull ( I know Jedi aren't meant to show emotions as such, but even Obi-wan showed some emotion.) Not played female JC though, so can't say there.
Probably didn't help i was leveling as a healer either :P

Sith Warrior is still the best <3 So Much Fun XD
I agree with you on the dull voice acting of the male consular. I played a female consular. I played her as a cool level headed lightside jedi sage healer. That is how the story made most sense to me. I can see why people would be bored with it, but I sure enjoyed it.