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elliotcat
07.05.2012 , 04:14 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post
Personally, I've been trying to write an Akaavi Spar/Male!Smuggler fic for awhile, but I'm having a little trouble. How do you guys see a Smuggler that does what he does for the lols, excitement, and freedom interacting with an angry, serious Mandalorian Warrior outside of the scenes in the game?
I also play a lady smuggler, and the friendship is really interesting. Akaavi at first seems like the type to wall herself up, but she really doesn't. She's actually quite open about her feelings and who she is. It's more of a culture clash, where Akaavi kind of expects her actions to make her feelings very clear, but they don't always. For example, this whole exchange:

Akaavi: I respect you because you're a worthy foe.
Ayang: What the hell, aren't we friends?
Akaavi: ...uh yeah, that's what I meant you idiot.
Ayang: Girl you're crazy.

There's also the bit where she talks about her ex-lover and when girl smuggler acts all shocked that she had a boyfriend, Akaavi's like "uhhh yeah, I am a girl, you know." Akaavi is actually fairly straightforward with her feelings. She's not into flirting or playing games of any kind, but that doesn't mean she isn't a loving or romantic person. I think she would just expect the male smuggler to KNOW how she feels, and I think she would get pretty frustrated by him flirting too much. Akaavi wants commitment.

Just my thoughts!

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almostinsane
07.05.2012 , 11:53 PM | #12
Thanks for the advice, both of you.
@Eliotlover You know, what you said reminds me of a conversation between my smuggler and Akaavi. Here's the gist of it,

Akaavi: I'd greet you with a coy comment, but I cannot. I see the games of fliration you play, but I can never take part.

Smuggler: You don't have to. I like the way you are.

For me, it seems that my smuggler was drawn to her by the fact that she wasn't like anyone he had ever met. She also helped him realize a few things about himself.

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kabeone
07.17.2012 , 06:21 PM | #13
The Swampy Middle.

So I have a question regarding transition scenes in my story. I know where I am, I know where I want to go, but there's some stuff in the middle that I need to set things up and sometimes it's kind of boring, feels overly long, has too much dialog and not enough description, or whatever.

Question for writers: Do you try to make every scene have an impact? Obviously, not every scene can be a climax but if you find a scene drags on or seems to have way too much dialog or feels boring BUT it contains important set up stuff for later scenes. What do you do? rewrite? delete? hope the reader doesn't mind?

Question for readers: How do you feel about those set up scenes. I know some people love a lot of detail, a lot of setup, (obviously if it's done well it won't be boring). But some people like action and purpose in nearly every scene or they get bored and quit reading. What kind of reader are you?

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bright_ephemera
07.17.2012 , 06:52 PM | #14
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The Swampy Middle.

So I have a question regarding transition scenes in my story. I know where I am, I know where I want to go, but there's some stuff in the middle that I need to set things up and sometimes it's kind of boring, feels overly long, has too much dialog and not enough description, or whatever.

Question for writers: Do you try to make every scene have an impact? Obviously, not every scene can be a climax but if you find a scene drags on or seems to have way too much dialog or feels boring BUT it contains important set up stuff for later scenes. What do you do? rewrite? delete? hope the reader doesn't mind?

Question for readers: How do you feel about those set up scenes. I know some people love a lot of detail, a lot of setup, (obviously if it's done well it won't be boring). But some people like action and purpose in nearly every scene or they get bored and quit reading. What kind of reader are you?
Ooh, good question.

I try to press through everything and get a clear description of how point A got to point B.

Then, if there's a scene that got boring to write, I look at what it actually got across and see whether I can load that information into an earlier or later scene. Can I get the gist of it into flashbacks? A single sentence? A few references during a more interesting conversation later? Alternately, can I keep the scene in but invent a better point and purpose for it? Is there something in the setup that makes this a good opportunity for characterization, worldbuilding, a really good punchline?

In the end, most of my longer stories have a few thousand words on the side that were just too damn boring to publish. Working through it was valuable, but if it felt like a necessary evil to write, I suspect it'll feel like a necessary evil to read.

As a reader, I find that solid prose or sharply characterized dialogue will justify themselves for a long, long time, even in purely interstitial scenes. I am happy if a) I learned something new that advances the plot or sets up possibilities with a character, or b) somebody I like did something very much in character that I simply enjoy. (See also: a well-written Doc will amuse me until the end of time just by virtue of being himself.)
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Earthmama
07.17.2012 , 08:17 PM | #15
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The Swampy Middle.

So I have a question regarding transition scenes in my story. I know where I am, I know where I want to go, but there's some stuff in the middle that I need to set things up and sometimes it's kind of boring, feels overly long, has too much dialog and not enough description, or whatever.

Question for writers: Do you try to make every scene have an impact? Obviously, not every scene can be a climax but if you find a scene drags on or seems to have way too much dialog or feels boring BUT it contains important set up stuff for later scenes. What do you do? rewrite? delete? hope the reader doesn't mind?

Question for readers: How do you feel about those set up scenes. I know some people love a lot of detail, a lot of setup, (obviously if it's done well it won't be boring). But some people like action and purpose in nearly every scene or they get bored and quit reading. What kind of reader are you?

Aaah Really good question!! I have the same problem, and I know I've written a few passages that I have not been 100% happy with but it helped move the story forward. This time around in my second installment, I try and put in at least one plot device per "chapter" and only post work that I am 100% happy with, if I'm not happy with it, I either scratch it altogether, try a different angle, would it work better coming from a different character then what I originally thought? I let it simmer until the scene makes sense and doesn't feel forced.

As a reader, I like the fluff, I am all about character, both as a reader and a writer, I was a drama major, so I love the character journey. If a scene is 90% character development and 10% action or really anything that is at least 50% character, I'm a happy girl. If it's 90% action but I don't get a clear understanding as to WHY a character is doing what they are, I get frustrated.

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elliotcat
07.17.2012 , 10:00 PM | #16
For me, I just try to focus on telling a good story. I think characters are important, but in the end they should serve as part of the story.

I actually have distanced myself from Nanowrimo because I had a lot of contention with folks over character vs. story. A lot of people said they wanted to focus exclusively on their characters, and I maintain that characters should be a part of the story - but story should be the focus overall. That's just my $.02 though...I think there needs to be a good balance and that focusing overmuch on character development can be boring. You gotta get hooked somehow.

As for writing the middle stuff...I think there's something to be said for just relaxing and letting it flow. Maybe you don't know what you want to do; fine. No need to meticulously craft it at first. Light a candle, spend some prayer time if you're religious. Take a nap or a walk. Mix up a drink if you're of age. Find the type of music that helps you write, and don't think it's going to be what works for everyone else. Sure, lots of people pick classical or easy listening...but I actually do my best writing when I've got a gangsta rap station on Pandora. Everyone is different and every method for writing is different.

I get irked when folks act like there's one "right" way to write. I'm glad I haven't seen it here.

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kabeone
07.17.2012 , 10:15 PM | #17
Great answers, you guys are awesome. I have about 8000 words with strikethrough in my word doc right now. Three days of writing that I reread and went bleh *shaaannnnnnk*
Maybe Jaesa will have to pursue Scourge until I can figure out what to say next

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bright_ephemera
07.18.2012 , 08:16 PM | #18
I have a question: How do you guys track timelines?

SWTOR fic is actually my first experience handling entire multigenerational families, and I'm finding the tracking of ages vs. personal milestones vs. world events rather bewildering. How do you keep it together? A calendar? A spreadsheet where each column is a month/year and each row is a person/concept of interest? A plain ol' text file saying that in the year 2525, such and so happened?
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elliotcat
07.18.2012 , 08:51 PM | #19
I just wrote a nice little timeline, it looks like this:

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It's not finished yet but it keeps things pretty organized!

Ebon Hawk: Latula // Elaeys // Raima // Jaea // Macara // Meulin // Damarra // Kanaaya

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bright_ephemera
07.18.2012 , 09:31 PM | #20
I just started experimenting with a spreadsheet that may or may not be useful. It's good for immediately comparing ages.

An overly detailed breakdown of how this works:
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Weird, maybe, but it gives me ages at a glance, which saves me a lot of messy counting.
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