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Sith Warriors are just a Weak tool ?

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Sith Warriors are just a Weak tool ?

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magicallypuzzled
11.25.2012 , 11:26 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Pythoris View Post
IMO the Sith Warrior was a generic Darth Vader, knowing some manipulation skills and being a huge ball of rage and fury. The Sith Inquisitor seemed to have to use his head more often than not, and even his very powers are more force based while the powers of a SW are more about the lightsaber. He's also more into knowledge than the SW, and knowledge itself is was fuels true power.

Also, circumstances would go to prove that the SI is actually stronger. The SW came from a lineage of force users and was respected and given opportunities to train since childhood from the get-go. The SI grew up until adulthood as a slave, and had to learn on the fly how to manipulate and become powerful just to survive. The way I see it, the SI and SW were thrown out to sea and told to get to shore, but the SW was thrown out waaay closer to shore and was given a raft, while the SI was thrown out miles behind and told to swim. And had a weight tied to his leg. Both sith made it to a high position of power in the end, but the SI had to go through a LOT more to get it, and beat odds that were WAY more stacked against him. So, in my opinion, the SI is actually stronger. To get where he was with no prior training and so many powerful enemies within the empire who wanted him dead from the start. I don't think the SW would have made it in the same position.

Of course, despite all this, my opinion is that the SW is not just a tool. His former master learned the hard way at the end, make him angry enough and he will surprise you. The SW is more into brute strength and violence, but he can think and can manipulate, and given the opportunity he will. Oh, and this is all just my humble $0.02. I played both stories and this is what I believe.
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TheBetty
11.26.2012 , 07:06 PM | #42
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The SW is the 2nd highest Sith in the Empire with full immunity to Political Interference. The Dark Council is the highest political body, with full authority over the operations of the Empire.
If force choking Jawas is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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epicfear
11.26.2012 , 07:34 PM | #43
The sith inquisitor is a weakling who has dumb luck and others plotting for him.

The sith warrior is a wrecking ball who specializes in lightsaber-ing people, monsters, droids, and plots in the face to death.

I much prefer the... direct approach.
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Rayla_Felana
11.26.2012 , 07:47 PM | #44
The Inquisitor goes from being a slave, to a lord then to an outlaw being hunted by a Dark Council member after her own master screws her over, to becoming a Dark Council Member, with her own powerbase a fleet with weaponry enough to make opposing fleets literally vanish, won a Kaggath with barely any of her own powerbase, has the power of five force ghosts and is preparing to become the dominant councillor with Sith power that only the Emperor could rival.

The Warrior gets special lifelong treatment, kills a bunch of Jedi and starts a war, ends up becoming a replacement for Scourge as his point-n-kill and is completely oblivious to the fact the Emperor wants to devour him one day.

I know which sounds more impressive to me.

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Stradlin
11.26.2012 , 08:13 PM | #45
Sith Warrior's class story is only one I've played so far that can actually be called a good, satisfying story that stands on it's own feet.

Unlike..say, Inq. storyline, Warrior's is an intact and whole piece of fiction; it doesn't require some decade long horribad expanded Universe book studies til you manage to bait yourself into impression that something interesting is actually happening.

Sith Warrior's storyline is about PEOPLE and character development between the said people. When we keep in mind how precisely and literally 100% of TOR's storytelling consists of two talking heads(=PEOPLE) talking and spinning them dialogue wheels, this actually makes pretty much sense to have the stories being about people.

I find it infinitely unsatisfying when class story turns out to be stuff like chasing across 5 planets for some Ancient Derp Cubes. (=STwo thirds of the game for Sith Inq, Jedi Knight)

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Rayla_Felana
11.26.2012 , 08:22 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Stradlin View Post
Sith Warrior's class story is only one I've played so far that can actually be called a good, satisfying story that stands on it's own feet.

Unlike..say, Inq. storyline, Warrior's is an intact and whole piece of fiction; it doesn't require some decade long horribad expanded Universe book studies til you manage to bait yourself into impression that something interesting is actually happening.

Sith Warrior's storyline is about PEOPLE and character development between the said people. When we keep in mind how precisely and literally 100% of TOR's storytelling consists of two talking heads(=PEOPLE) talking and spinning them dialogue wheels, this actually makes pretty much sense to have the stories being about people.

I find it infinitely unsatisfying when class story turns out to be stuff like chasing across 5 planets for some Ancient Derp Cubes. (=STwo thirds of the game for Sith Inq, Jedi Knight)
Star Wars EU, you're doing it wrong.

Just because you don't like the EU doesn't make the SI bad, not at all, in-fact it's the second deepest lore-friendly class in the game.

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Stradlin
11.26.2012 , 08:37 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Star Wars EU, you're doing it wrong.

Just because you don't like the EU doesn't make the SI bad, not at all, in-fact it's the second deepest lore-friendly class in the game.
See now, this is the Matrix Reloaded defense right here ;p

If you need 12 hours worth of Matrix Anime dvd bonus episodes, 3 years of active posting on neoisawesome.com/thereisnospoonforums and religious recriting of some long winded 20 page long philosophical pondering by some SuperFan Grand Oompaaah til you can call Matrix Reloaded a good movie, then it just doesn't stand on it's own feet. Cacth my drift?

No doubt, if you love the world enough to do just that, then surely you can draw enough out of all this to turn it into a good movie and a very powerful experience for you personally. It also gives awesome opportunities to get all snoby and pull infinite amount of more or less or much less educative *hmp, if you plebs only understood the real truth.." type o statements all over the net. It should NOT make it possible for you to look thineself in eyes via mirror and say " Matrix Reloaded is a good movie"

Video Game storyline needs to stand on it's own feet to work. It should not require 20k pages of horrible fiction to do the trick.

Also..I've always wondered if it is at 5k pages or 10k pages or at 15k++ pages where " er yeah so go fetch these 3 random cubes or whatever. No I wont tell you much about them. They are ANCIENT and hold GREAT POWER just go get em ffs" suddenly turns into an awesome and exiting thing to do. I can imagine how going can get good from fans POV once you have all dat sweet power going and get busy with ghost hunting. Over half of the story is told by then.

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Rayla_Felana
11.26.2012 , 08:39 PM | #48
*facepalm* everything you just said makes no sense, the storyline easily stands on it's own feet, it is just more lore centric than the other IMP classes, this does not make it inferior, on the contrary, it makes it superior for building upon the source material, that is the point of a continuity based fiction franchise.

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Stradlin
11.26.2012 , 08:48 PM | #49
Yeah lets start facepalming one another, Im sure that can bring only more awesome to these already grand forums;p


/ Post Picard meme facepalming
- Call the dude a lackwit who makes no sense
\ Post some other meme

Half of Sith Inq is all about hunting some gosh darned cubes. Nobody really gets overly exited about the cubes themselves. Nobody really goes into detail about what they are. That isn't important. Only thing what counts is that I'm a good NES game character and go all over the place gathering them one by one.

SWTOR has loads of cinematics going. Literally all of these cinematics consists of talking heads and spinning dialogue wheels. This reason alone makes it feel very natural to make story and driving story elements about people, not about terrible cubes that look every bit as exiting as they are. The F is up with them cubes anyhow. You don't even get them,not in any game-y sense of the word. You can't equip them, they don't show up in some proverbial trophy case or as scalps on your belt or..anything. They don't pop in your inventory, you can't manipulate them, you cant caress them lovingly. All you get is some clumsy as hell datacron picking animation and codex entry. After that whatever pseudo boss NPC bossing you around calls your cell and goes " GJ; off to another planet, we need to pick cube number 4!! " How is this rewarding in any sense of the word usually associated with rewarding players in video games?

Sith War story just works so much better. TOR's engine and way TOR tells it's stories greatly benefits from things being up, close and personal. When driving elements of the story are people and story itself is about people, it goes very well with cinematic engine that is all about talking heads.Also, with Sith War, there is one precious sweet rewarding moment where you achieve a significant goal in main story line it also immediately transfers into something interesting, visible and exiting in the actual game.(you know, in game-y part of the game where you actually..play a game, move with WASD and all that. ) It is mildly depressing this is something so rare in TOR that I have to be grateful for it.

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maxetius
11.26.2012 , 10:36 PM | #50
Interesting story? Sith Warrior gets it. You manipulate, connive, do Sithy things, and become the tool of the Emperor himself, like Vader.

More powerful in story-wise? Sith Inquisitor easily. You command a fleet, have several Moffs directly loyal to you, NONE OF YOUR COMPANIONS BETRAY YOU. You also have a superweapon, a cult, if you are light-side you have an extremely powerful Darth as your personal lackey, [due to you saving his life.] And two (two!) apprentices.

Not to mention that you had to find your powers in a hurry. Unlike the Sith Warrior who was chosen by an extremely powerful sith lord from the get go, and given preferential treatment, vs the Inquisitor who had to earn everything the hard way.

That said, the Warrior story is much, much, much better written.