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The ME3 debacle and BioWare fan loyalty...

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The ME3 debacle and BioWare fan loyalty...

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RobNightfall
03.15.2012 , 04:09 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRamette View Post
Ah, I can only guess it has something to do with Shepard at the end.
You can google it and find it in about 5 minutes, I don't want to ruin the game for you or your husband, just in case your are one of the 10% or less that like the ending.
Edited because the devs appear to have fixed at least 80% of the crap that was pissing me off.

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Antipathize
03.15.2012 , 04:11 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by CazNeerg View Post
Right. Because discussing the possible impact of one BioWare product on subscriptions to this BioWare product is sooooo off topic...
Sounded more like you are boycotting this game because you don't like how another game turned out. Then you want other people to join your happy little bandwagon. Unless bioware austin writers also wrote the ending of me3, stop acting like bioware ate your puppy. If subscriptions here go down, it's because of inferior work, not because another type of space game sucked.

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RobNightfall
03.15.2012 , 04:12 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by MaverickXIV View Post
30,000 people "like" the Retake Mass Effect page. There's probably a lot of fabricated likes in there, but let's just say there isn't. Mass Effect 3 shipped 3.5 million copies in the first week.

That's 1%.

I really don't think any more needs to be said.
But strangely, the people who like the game can't be bothered to post? Think it through and maybe study stats while you're at it. The reason sampling is done is that you can never get the full population of anything to respond. Right now, with the numbers available, roughly 90% of all people who have posted about this have expressed extreme discontent with the ending. If BW wants to set up a valid (as opposed to yours) numbers argument about this they need to set up a poll and encourage everyone who bought ME3 to vote.
Edited because the devs appear to have fixed at least 80% of the crap that was pissing me off.

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Kindara
03.15.2012 , 04:14 PM | #14
FUnny no one rage quit wow over the rainbows that would of been in Diablo 3 nor did they rage quit over the cash shop style implimentation or the terrible online activity at all times idea. Hell no one rage quit over the fact Starcraft 2 was completely ridiculous and the storylines will end up costing you 50 dollars a peice per race if you want the entire game. I mean Blizz just blatanty ripped you off with Starcraft 2 and no one went OMG / RAGE QUIT ALL BLIZZ games.

Rage quitters always find a reason to rage quit. Next it'll be because the actually do make a mass effect 4.

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CazNeerg
03.15.2012 , 04:15 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by MaverickXIV View Post
30,000 people "like" the Retake Mass Effect page. There's probably a lot of fabricated likes in there, but let's just say there isn't. Mass Effect 3 shipped 3.5 million copies in the first week.

That's 1%.

I really don't think any more needs to be said.
The game has barely been out a week. Within three days of release 40,000 people had come to the official forums to say they hated the end and wanted a new one. They raised $50,000 for charity in less than two days to draw attention to how strongly they feel about it. 40k is probably a substantially higher percentage of people who have actually finished the game, just guessing there. And you can't ever know the opinions of people who don't express them. What we know is that roughly 9 out of every 10 people who express an opinion think the ending ruined the franchise.

Quote: Originally Posted by Antipathize View Post
Sounded more like you are boycotting this game because you don't like how another game turned out. Then you want other people to join your happy little bandwagon. Unless bioware austin writers also wrote the ending of me3, stop acting like bioware ate your puppy. If subscriptions here go down, it's because of inferior work, not because another type of space game sucked.
What are you basing these assumptions on? I'm not saying anyone who disagrees should side with me. I'm saying if you agree, speak up. And you are incorrect on subs. Unless people are blatantly lying, I've seen literally dozens of people claiming they are cancelling/have cancelled, and specifically citing ME3 as the reason why. I have seen even more people who are not personally cancelling, but claim that their guilds have been decimated in TOR by others who have.

Quote: Originally Posted by RobNightfall View Post
But strangely, the people who like the game can't be bothered to post? Think it through and maybe study stats while you're at it. The reason sampling is done is that you can never get the full population of anything to respond. Right now, with the numbers available, roughly 90% of all people who have posted about this have expressed extreme discontent with the ending. If BW wants to set up a valid (as opposed to yours) numbers argument about this they need to set up a poll and encourage everyone who bought ME3 to vote.
Thing is, the largest poll on the issue is on the site where they do such polls, and despite being a fan created poll, it has five times as many votes as the most voted official BioWare poll, despite that poll having been up for two years.
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keyalin
03.15.2012 , 04:18 PM | #16
its not the ME3 gameplay that has people up in arms its the way the saga comes to an end (i am not going to ruin it) but i will say that the game is bloody brilliant until the disappointment in the ending.

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MaverickXIV
03.15.2012 , 04:21 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by RobNightfall View Post
But strangely, the people who like the game can't be bothered to post? Think it through and maybe study stats while you're at it. The reason sampling is done is that you can never get the full population of anything to respond. Right now, with the numbers available, roughly 90% of all people who have posted about this have expressed extreme discontent with the ending. If BW wants to set up a valid (as opposed to yours) numbers argument about this they need to set up a poll and encourage everyone who bought ME3 to vote.
I have studied "stats," and you are completely and utterly incorrect. My numbers are the only objective numbers that can possibly exist: the ratio of those who feel slighted enough by the ending to seek out and sign an internet petition vs. the entire set of Mass Effect 3 consumers. This is also called a "percentage."

Your numbers are made up, and any attempt at any sort of poll falls victim to a human element and subjectivity. At that point you're getting too deep into Social Sciences, and who really wants to waste their time with that hogwash?

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Antipathize
03.15.2012 , 04:24 PM | #18
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the lead writer of Mass Effect 3 is Mac Walters, who previously wrote on other games in the Mass Effect series as well as Jade Empire.[58]
-wiki

Blame that guy. Man, if someone **** in your sandwich at subway, would you blame all subways, or that specific franchise, and more importantly, who would you demand be fired?

This idiocy is making me sick. Email/post in the right place, otherwise your opinions are getting pissed away into the wind.

As for others quitting for the boycott, I say good riddance to the mouth breathers. This game has plent of flaws to quit over, but this? Really.

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Darth_Gao_Gao
03.15.2012 , 04:24 PM | #19
while this may be over dramatic, i agree 100%. bioware seriously pulled a fast one on their loyal fans. bioware just doesn't understand that some people played mass effect since day 1 and loved it since that day. that's like 8 years of time, and then to have that investment crushed with sheer EA/bioware laziness, well, it's the last straw for many.

it's really amazing because the core of mass effect 3 is so brilliant, but then you guys just gave up, or whatever. the ending is the absolute worst ending i have ever encountered in my entire life, and to have it occur in my favorite story was just crushing.

i always said that mass effect 3 would be bioware's redemption or failure, especially with regards to the failure that is dragon age 2.

when you people release your DLC fix, if you even do it, and then charge for it, that will be the end for people like me. your company will still flourish, but that's because most people are a few parts short of a droid.

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RobNightfall
03.15.2012 , 04:25 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by keyalin View Post
its not the ME3 gameplay that has people up in arms its the way the saga comes to an end (i am not going to ruin it) but i will say that the game is bloody brilliant until the disappointment in the ending.
This is true. Until the end, it's an absolutely awesome game. There were a couple of times where I stepped back and took deep breaths and reminded myself it was just a game lol. The plot has the capacity to be that moving. And then they totally f**k up the end game.
Edited because the devs appear to have fixed at least 80% of the crap that was pissing me off.