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Mithros
03.13.2012 , 06:36 PM | #11
Yeah, they tried to spread it out by gating stuff to the different acts.

Problem is that with my favored companion, assuming that I get them early enough and that they like my choices, I can easily get enough affection to unlock missions many levels higher than my character, and that starting in act II and continuing in act III, all, or at least most, of my conversations happen at the very beginning.

There are times that I might use this companion for a mission and then that one, but for the most part, I find a companion that works well with me and I stick with them.

I would have rather every conversation been level-gated only. Especially with companions not leaving you once they show up.
That is the one and only way to make sure that the conversations are spread out, and to keep companions active throughout the life of your character.

They could seperate romantic conversations so that affection played a part but also so that there would be more interaction between the companions themselves... A cut-scene where the two could talk to each other about the situation, as well as scenes with you moving from one to the other and back and so on.


Finally, for companion missions (and I would like to see every companion have a short mission chain) I would like to see them affection-based, but it would require that they also scale with level.

While I did not enjoy walking into a companion mission and getting annihilated by +12s or +14s or whatever they were before I noticed, it wouldn't be particularly interesting to be a +12 or 14 and going into that mission because I did not get the companion affection high enough at the right time.
I would get it done, certainly, and advance the story and all, but it wouldn't be interesting or provide anything directly useful in terms of loot.
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BlueDestiny
03.13.2012 , 08:00 PM | #12
Well, all good examples. The moral of the story is that its not working effectively.

Trying to tie together levels, affection, gifts, and class quests (any others?) with different ways and paces players level is biting off too much. We also wouldn't like it if we got quest loot for 10 levels higher or lower than we're currently playing, or that there seemed no rhyme or reason, or continuity to progression of our class story.

We could go on at length for what could be done about it, but the only thing that's consistent is level and XP. So tie companion story development to just that, so it's consistent and reliable. Also, another quick bandaid would be to give some indication that a dialogue has been triggered, but not yet accessible, so at least we know we've hit some wall and to stop wasting affection points, such as gifts and missions to get gifts. As it is, we're clueless and throwing credits out the window.

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Mithros
03.14.2012 , 11:07 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDestiny View Post
As it is, we're clueless and throwing credits out the window.
But you aren't.

Not entirely.

Affection still improves crew skill performance. Nothing changes there, and I would argue that that is the biggest benefit of affection, anyway.

It's obvious to anyone that looks at it that you will gain affection naturally over time. Pretty sure that there is a pop-up on affection that says the same thing. So why would anyone think that they needed to grind out companion affection right now unless they were just looking to maximize crew skill efficiency.

You have to know at level 10 that there are going to be a lot of chances to get their affection up.
If you start dropping money on gifts immediately, you can't blame the game.
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Miaxi
03.14.2012 , 05:37 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDestiny View Post
Well, all good examples. The moral of the story is that its not working effectively.

Trying to tie together levels, affection, gifts, and class quests (any others?) with different ways and paces players level is biting off too much. We also wouldn't like it if we got quest loot for 10 levels higher or lower than we're currently playing, or that there seemed no rhyme or reason, or continuity to progression of our class story.

We could go on at length for what could be done about it, but the only thing that's consistent is level and XP. So tie companion story development to just that, so it's consistent and reliable. Also, another quick bandaid would be to give some indication that a dialogue has been triggered, but not yet accessible, so at least we know we've hit some wall and to stop wasting affection points, such as gifts and missions to get gifts. As it is, we're clueless and throwing credits out the window.
The system works fine. You didn't read the tutorial popup, that's all.

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BlueDestiny
03.17.2012 , 10:47 AM | #15
It doesn't work fine as clearly demonstrated in the OP. Even Team Bioware knows that. So for those who like to dismiss things that aren't on their radar, haven't been fully considered, or aren't a priority for them today ... put your thinking cap on and consider the issues.

Or alternatively, simply walk away from the urge to chime in on something you haven't considered and don't want to take the time to consider. Leave the discussion to the stakeholders who do take the time.

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Gryphandor
10.22.2012 , 03:03 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDestiny View Post
If by "rushing" you mean, "did I acquire Companion Gifts to logically level up my companion's points?" Sure, working as intended. However, the trigger of all the dialogues long after they were earned to come bursting out like a 3-day constipated cat with an enema, that was broken gameplay.

Not to mention the credits lost on affection points that should have been applied organically from the dialogues instead of wasted Companion Gift missions.

If there had been some indication that a level was attained (dialogue triggered) yet unaccessible pending some other trigger, I might have been clued in to not spend on more missions, but such information was not provided.
Sure this is old but I love how a person can call something broken when it is working as intended. They just didn't know about it. Hell I didn't until I found this thread and the idea you can't just rush threw a companion story is rather cool.
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Dademoor
10.24.2012 , 10:29 AM | #17
Patience is a Virtue.

You wasted your money trying to make something happen that is set to occure naturally over time, and you are calling IT broken.


EDIT: Bah old post .. didnt look at the creation date before responding.
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seatown
10.26.2012 , 01:10 AM | #18
I understand the level gated bit but I also understand where the OP is coming from, last night I got on board my ship after Nar Shadaa and my companion had a conversation/quest icon, i was like "oh hey cool" so i did it and then she immediately had another and another, all in all i had to talk to her about 5 or 6 time in a row to get her to stop giving me quests and dialog.

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Damethian
10.26.2012 , 05:36 AM | #19
This was a hard lesson to learn the first time. After you learn it though, it's time to game the system.

Now whenever I get a new companion on a character, I cheap gift my way up to 6k Affection and let the rest take care of itself over time through conversations, etc. It actually works out to be cheaper if you know what you're doing ahead of time. :P