DarthDymond Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 The Legendary Star Wars Expanded Universe Turns a New Page In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s. Demand for past tales of the Expanded Universe will keep them in print, presented under the new Legends banner. On the screen, the first new canon to appear will be Star Wars Rebels. In print, the first new books to come from this creative collaboration include novels from Del Rey Books. First to be announced, John Jackson Miller is writing a novel that precedes the events of Star Wars Rebels and offers insight into a key character's backstory, with input directly from executive producers Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, and Greg Weisman. I don't think anyone is really surprised that the new films won't be beholden to the existing EU, besides having been pretty well stated beforehand, it really was the only move that would have made sense. "Taking elements from it" the way the Clone Wars did was really the best that EU fans could hope for - and will probably be best for the IP overall. I'm hoping that a dedicated "Legends" imprint will mean there is eventually the potential for that Universe (the current EU) to be continued in the future, a separate timeline like the difference between the mainstream Marvel comics and the Marvel Ultimates line for example. My hopes aren't high for that ever happening, but they do exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewitchdoctor Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The EU, in my opinion, was an anchor holding the further development of the story back. I don't mean that the EU was bad or crap, far from it. I have read just about every EU book written. While I disliked some parts there were others that were quite good. But, for example, as you get to the 135+ years ABY stage, I think the story is just so regurgetated. You defeated THAT Sith Empire? HA HA! Here is ... ANOTHER ONE! Oh. You finally won again. HA HA! ANOTHER SITH EMPIRE! Jedi crushed! Jedi return ... to be crushed again! JJ Abrams will, hopefully, set the stage for another run of great movies and, along with Rebels, a new storyline of fun to read books. But there is no way that he, as a director, is going to bind his hand to some novels written 10 or so years ago. Its just not how he, or any A+ director would work. Now, as long as this doesn't result in a Batman-like 'reboot' every trilogy, then I am OK with it. I enjoyed the EU. And now THAT storyline is over and we have a new one. As Vette would say, 'woo hoo!' But, thanks for the post. I don't frequent the official SW websites as often as I should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalphitis Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 This is an appropriate topic for the "Story and Lore' Forums. Not only is post RotJ being labeled 'non-canon', but so is the entire Old Republic timeline of lore. According to the powers that be, this game itself is now essentially 'LEGEND' SWTOR, not SWTOR. It's entirely possible, however unlikely, that the new movies or books could completely rewrite this era of time in the Star Wars galaxy. It's a shame, especially considering Bioware just now got around to moving the story of this game forward again with the latest 'Forged Alliances' story. Given that the 'Old Republic era' is no longer canon, I have to say, I am somewhat less interested on how this game's story plays out now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalphitis Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 "Is KOTOR, Darth Bane, and Darth Plagueis all being wiped?" "They are now Legends...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Is this going to be directly affecting TOR? Will they be phasing updates out now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizersan Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 No this doesn't effect the game at all as it takes place long ago and anything pre movies is still fine they just don't want any after movie stuff getting in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Posting a link to my thread here, to prevent further knicker-twisting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenitsubasaChiyo Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I don't understand why'd they make KotOR/TOR/TofJ "Legends" as well, both trilogies don't even go near those. BBY events that happened long ago in SW continuity fit the timeline perfectly, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisernick Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) I don't understand why'd they make KotOR/TOR/TofJ "Legends" as well, both trilogies don't even go near those. BBY events that happened long ago in SW continuity fit the timeline perfectly, aren't they? its more then likly that disney will want to push out its own garbage version of the old republic. EDIT mean the timeline not the game. I will not recognize any of their stuff can cannon at the end of the day is disney want to do this kind of crap let them but their story's will be no different to me than fan fiction. Edited April 26, 2014 by Kaisernick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I don't understand why'd they make KotOR/TOR/TofJ "Legends" as well, both trilogies don't even go near those. BBY events that happened long ago in SW continuity fit the timeline perfectly, aren't they?"Perfectly" is a strong word, and that's the issue here. Lucasfilm have done a good job of trying to make it unified as possible but there a still a ton of contradictions however small that means it doesn't quite fit. Because of that they can't really call it gospel because we have multiple truths contradicting each other. That said we don't know what the status of TOR is yet, they may elevate it to the platform of gospel and just say the rest is legend. Remember though, just because its "legend' doesn't mean its not part of continuity, its just not so clear cut fact.its more then likly that disney will want to push out its own garbage version of the old republic. EDIT mean the timeline not the game. I will not recognize any of their stuff can cannon at the end of the day is disney want to do this kind of crap let them but their story's will be no different to me than fan fiction.Yeah because Disney have a long and documented history of ruining franchies and Del Rey have an equally terrible history of publishing bad stories. Unnecessary overreaction is unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodan Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The EU, in my opinion, was an anchor holding the further development of the story back. I don't mean that the EU was bad or crap, far from it. agreed. its like the old star trek vs abrams star treks. in order for abrams to do his ST they had to write in a way to allow new stories to be told while keeping the same characters in. But there is no way that he, as a director, is going to bind his hand to some novels written 10 or so years ago. Its just not how he, or any A+ director would work. in my mind this announcement does not detract from what was written in the comics/books/games. this is almost like they created two universes. Movie universe: movies and the other stuff they say that will be considered canon (like del ray books) in essence this would be the original star trek movies Expanded (Alternate) Universe: any games/books/etc that wont be considered canon anymore -in essence this would be like the abrams Star trek movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLotus Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The EU was never considered Canon anyway and people could already tell the difference what is Canon Verse and EU, changes made in the Canon Verse often affected the EU The EU was an universe where authors could write in and explore based on first films. What I hate is people not even acknowledging that the reasons people are still talking about Star Wars today wasn't because of "Canon Verse" but of the people who contributed to the EU and to those who bought the merchandise, the comics, the book and all those assorted goodies. For almost 30 years George Lucas reaped from the work of others who contributed to his universe because it was Star Wars. So I'm sorry if I don't really have faith in Disney but the fact that they used Darth Bane in the Clone Wars and renamed Korriban to Moriban a change that wasn't even necessary at all just show that they don't really care at all for the Fan base that followed the EU. "yeah sorry for the stuff you liked but it ours, now give us your money and watch our version you may not like it but this is what Star Wars is now." I don't even mind the EU being re-branded as Legend as long as it is not beholden to the Canon Verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I couldn't agree with you more Ryan. I personally feel that Disney could not have made a bigger mistake. Star wars has NEVER been "rebooted" in its almost 40 years of existence. For them to just say that 30+ years of books "never really existed in the star wars universe" is complete bull. I really wish people wouldn't support these new movies because it completely disrespects TRUE star wars fans. And for those who say that "directors need their artistic freedom," I'd like to point out that many less-than-famous authors have been able to keep the EU flowing continually for 30+ years. The EU had ONE rule: don't write something that flat out contradicts another person's published work. Now Disney hires a big name director who, if he was truly creative, could EASILY have written a plot that continues to flow with the EU (there's a big gap between the years 3,500 years BBY and 1,000 BBY, plus we have the gap between about 50 ABY and 137 ABY), but instead he decides to completely disregard everyone else who have contributed to the star wars universe much longer than he has and do things "his way." For that, I feel JJ deserves NO support for these movies from anyone who TRULY loves Star Wars.The next Star Wars films are a sequel trilogy, continuing the story of the OT trilogy. So of course they couldn't just stick it anywhere and end up completely disconnecting from the films and the fans in favour of the EU supporters. But ultimately the post-ROTJ is far too congested to slot a good story in without making drastic changes. Too many characters and events and back-stories that most of the audience is simply unaware of. It just wouldn't work. I personally plan on supporting J.J and the new movies, I never really liked the post-ROTJ stories anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Anf Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I think it will actually help Star Wars in the long run as it gives a great starting point for people who never knew the expanded universe excisted or don't have the time to invest in 160 books worth of history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I think it will actually help Star Wars in the long run as it gives a great starting point for people who never knew the expanded universe excisted or don't have the time to invest in 160 books worth of history... I love it because it is a clean cut. They have made it astoundingly clear that the EU is not part of the canon version of the saga. You can call the EU an alternate universe or whatever you like, but as far as the new saga moving forward goes, the EU is now an "Infinities" version of the Star Wars saga. It is just a bunch of cool (and some not so cool) stories that have nothing to do with official canon. Of course, bits and pieces may be resurrected and brought into canon, such as Darth Bane and Morriband was brought into the fold via TCW, but other than that, the EU is nothing but an alternate universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBos Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Bleh, I'm expecting the Disney Star Wars universe to be ****. Star Wars universe is great but the cheap Disney version will be crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBBP Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Bleh, I'm expecting the Disney Star Wars universe to be ****. Star Wars universe is great but the cheap Disney version will be crap. Right... Just like Disney ruining the Marvel movie-verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBPL Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 J.J is a fanboy (hence the uproar when he got to do Star Trek and rebooted it on them. Hehehe.); I honestly think the new films are in safe hands. I never really got into the EU stuff set after RoTJ anyway, so discarding it in favor of the new films makes no difference to me. As long as we don't have another Jar Jar Binks moment then I think most fans will be happy enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrr_hypernova Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Right... Just like Disney ruining the Marvel movie-verse. original 90's captian america movie for the win! im kidding it was awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alystair Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Heres my point of view. Disney is a damn monopoly, they don't care about me or you. They simply see Star Wars as a cash cow, why do you think they bought Marvel. Tell me in what universe does the new Johnny Storm make sense? Disney is going to FLOOD the market with their merchandise, books ect ect on how they think George Lucas should have wrote Star Wars. JJ is a fan boy he just wants to be the only person to say they have Star Wars and Star Trek under their belt. While I respect what Lucas did with the money he got, it was stupid to sell to Disney. All they are doing is creating confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodan Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Heres my point of view. Disney is a damn monopoly, they don't care about me or you. They simply see Star Wars as a cash cow, why do you think they bought Marvel. Tell me in what universe does the new Johnny Storm make sense? Disney is going to FLOOD the market with their merchandise, books ect ect on how they think George Lucas should have wrote Star Wars. JJ is a fan boy he just wants to be the only person to say they have Star Wars and Star Trek under their belt. While I respect what Lucas did with the money he got, it was stupid to sell to Disney. All they are doing is creating confusion. Are you talking about the Johnny Storm for the new reboot of the Fantastic Four movies, because then you have to remember DISNEY is NOT making the movie, FOX is making the movie. Also JJ Abrams has been known to love Star Wars a lot more than he ever did Star Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skekoun Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I like what Lucas did with the money, but I don't like what Disney is trying to do with whole Star Wars franchise. I hope they don't screw up the movies. Also heard that JJ is huge fan of Star Wars and that Lucas will overseer whole project of new trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahirS Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I like what Lucas did with the money, but I don't like what Disney is trying to do with whole Star Wars franchise. I hope they don't screw up the movies. Also heard that JJ is huge fan of Star Wars and that Lucas will overseer whole project of new trilogy. True on all accounts Episode 7 will be a blast, Disney must check up on this game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarachBlade Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I would still love to see a game set during the Golden Age of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandFlurry Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 its more then likly that disney will want to push out its own garbage version of the old republic. EDIT mean the timeline not the game. I will not recognize any of their stuff can cannon at the end of the day is disney want to do this kind of crap let them but their story's will be no different to me than fan fiction. That's what Disney/Marvel is doing to all the good awesome stuff that only Dark Horse comics did. Marvel was never, ever as good as Dark Horse and Disney is a bunch of idiots along with Marvel, are going to destroy all these things that we loved. I DO NOT and WILL NOT consider Disney/Marvels stuff as canon. It's trash to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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