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Monumenta
06.10.2015 , 11:01 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Ardaneb View Post
I am not in any of the current gsf guilds on Begeren. The most dominant guild on Begeren does sometimes put players on either side of the queue. For about 3 months, that guild was all impside and dominated. Most veterans decided to join them, presumably because they did not like losing to them (this happens on every server). Even while they were dominating, this guild always stacked their groups evenly. For example, if there were three groups, one of the best 3 players would be in each group. Then the guild started putting people in the queue on republic side. I think this guild has made an effort to genuinely balance the queue on Begeren for competitive matches. I respect them for that. I do not see any win trading. That guild can win at will.

Maybe there is some win trading going on by other guilds, but I have not seen it either. Maybe, the people doing the win trading are not very good and I just win all those matches in solo queue. However, there is only one Begeren-based guild that can beat me consistently when I am in solo queue and they do not win trade when I am on. They queue balance; there is a difference. Personally, I love it. I would much rather have 60% close matches than 100% stomps. Trust me, sometimes the best players in that guild and I group together: it is 100% stomp. No win trading is needed. The only thing that keeps the queue alive is mercy (which you obviously hate). It is much more fun to keep the queue alive with balancing (which you misinterpret as win trading).

As is the case with many people who are certain they are correct, you have missed the point entirely. Maybe "all guilds" somehow does not include the largest and best guild. However, I think the real explanation is that you are overconfident and under-informed. At best, you are exaggerating.

Win trading is a serious accusation. Accusing people of intentionally winning with a 2 cap instead of a 3 cap is not, even if you choose to pigeon hole it as stat padding because of a couple chat comments. There is a whole other thread about that.
I think you are wrong, if similar tactics were used in pvp people would be getting warnings and bans, as i stated in the other thread I dont believe for a second you are influencing the moral of the entire server by gaming the system the way these guilds do. All I see is excuses to keep cheating the system Bioware made for us.

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Ardaneb
06.10.2015 , 11:26 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Monumenta View Post
I think you are wrong, if similar tactics were used in pvp people would be getting warnings and bans, as i stated in the other thread I dont believe for a second you are influencing the moral of the entire server by gaming the system the way these guilds do. All I see is excuses to keep cheating the system Bioware made for us.
Yes or No. If good players intentionally try to make even teams and put them on both sides of the queue to have competitive matches, but try to win those matches, is that OK?
Paloga/Lantor

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Ymris
06.10.2015 , 01:00 PM | #33
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Yes or No. If good players intentionally try to make even teams and put them on both sides of the queue to have competitive matches, but try to win those matches, is that OK?
Eclipse Squadron premades face each other from time to time, and we do not hold back against our own

Monumenta, GSF and ground PvP can hardly be compared. Apples and oranges.
Tensoring straight to hell!

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Monumenta
06.11.2015 , 09:55 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Ymris View Post
Eclipse Squadron premades face each other from time to time, and we do not hold back against our own

Monumenta, GSF and ground PvP can hardly be compared. Apples and oranges.
thing is I play both and I am making the comparison, if you think there isn't one I don't know what to tell ya

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Oldmanripper
06.11.2015 , 10:26 PM | #35
@ Lantor

'You are best measured by the way your enemy speaks about you'

While I do not consider you a enemy in the full extent you have been our main competition on Begeren Colony for a long time. You are a solid player and it was a privilege to talk to you over our Teamspeak 3 channel a few times.

Thank you for your defense of our server's reputation here on the forums.

For all of you who do not know what we have attempted to build I will be as brief as possible:

Praxium Rules of Engagement:
1 - Do not engage enemy players at their spawn-column. Iif you are looking at a GSF map this is column A or E, rows 1-5 are off limits to long-range gunship weapons, satellite drones, mines, or other automated devices. You may engage the enemy in there with short range laser cannons and lock-on missiles used only in standard dog-fighting.
2 - Do not remain in the spawn-column seeking out new targets. You may follow engaged players wherever they decided to run but hovering near a spawn-in point, typically by a capital ship, is strongly discouraged.
3 - Do not be a bully. If you are engaging a new pilot, usually indicated by them having only 2 ships in their line-up or their playing style of firing continuous bursts of rapid-fire lasers from 20,000 meters away, do not destroy them unless it becomes necessary to defend an objective. We believe that only by allowing players to learn from their mistakes, rather than vaping them quickly, in our game's built-in-flight-simulator will the community as a whole be built up with new contestants.
4 - Play your best through skill and integrity. We do not discourage anyone from attacking and capturing all three of the satellites in a match. There are in-game achievements for capturing 3 satellites, getting 12 defense turret kills, damage done, etc. We will never forbid anyone from playing the game to its fullest potential as that is not our right nor our place.
5 - Fight honorably by allowing new competitiors to practice. We do actively discourage players from remaining at and defending either satellite objective A or C once all three have been captured. We ask our pilots to return to satellite objective B and to wait while the new players are returning to reclaim the objectives. Again, our theory on allowing new players to learn how to engage and defeat defense turrets and the distances required to turn a satellite can only come from practice. Targets that follow to the middle satellite are fair game.
6 - Show valor by personal combat choices. We will not, under any circumstances, place a bomber and/or gunship at each satellite unless we are fighting a veteran team, typically a pre-made, with pilots that we recognize as skilled players. We believe this will allow new players the chance to earn requisition that they can obtain from Satellite captures, Turret kills, and Damage Done and allow them to fight against a fixed target that can kill them if they make mistakes. In Death-matches you can fly ships that have the worst possible load-out or something that is less-than-optimal to help balance the skill disparity.
7 - Actively seek out and encourage new pilots. We continuously attempt to contact new players and teach them about Galactic Star Fighter. Only by building the next class of recruits will the community thrive.

The members of Praxium's flight groups attempt to fly these ROEs in every match, every game, every day. If you want to see the difference it can make stop by Begeren Colony and queue up!

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Monumenta
06.12.2015 , 10:34 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Oldmanripper View Post
The members of Praxium's flight groups attempt to fly these ROEs in every match, every game, every day. If you want to see the difference it can make stop by Begeren Colony and queue up!
yes please come to BC que up and see that the stat padders (on the rep side specifically) dont follow any of these noble 'rules' and will just berate you for taking the sat they wanted to leave for their friends on the imp side...

Other than that and the idea new players will 'learn from their mistakes' by you being easy on them your group sounds legit, too bad Ive never experienced anyone practicing these values on BC, maybe I'm queing at the wrong times...