TonyTricicolo Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Video showing Apeirion's remake of the classic Kotor with updated graphics and added content: If only Swtor would get an upgrade too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 The fact Disney hasn't killed this yet leaves me hopeful it might actually get released. Still a ways out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCobalt Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 That's really good. I hope this does make it all the way and is available soon. That Taris Undercity is impressive; I wonder what the figure models will be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emeraldon Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 There is no way in hell this game will see the light of day, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) They aren't going to be able to use any of the voice work or audio from Kotor. Edited August 8, 2018 by cool-dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCobalt Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) Apeirons Bastilla https://imgur.com/lfUSx8m Really good despite the Twitter compression and my trying to copy a Picture from the Gif. Edited August 10, 2018 by MikeCobalt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 They aren't going to be able to use any of the voice work or audio from Kotor. Since this technically is a free total conversion mod requiring purchase of the base game to run, they probably can actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilkat Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Omg now I want Kotor2 and swtor on this engine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Since this technically is a free total conversion mod requiring purchase of the base game to run, they probably can actually. "Capital Wasteland" was also total conversation mod for Fallout 3(inside Fallout 4s engine) that would require the purchase of the base game(Fallout 3), and the mod team shut it down, when they learned they could not legally use the voice work. The Voice work, music, etc, isn't actually owned by companies like EA or Bethesda. They are owned by the record labels, voice actors, composers, etc. Disney/EA would be legally obliged to shut it down if they found out about it. Which is what Bethesda asked the "Capital Wasteland" group to do to avoid going to court over it. Edited August 10, 2018 by cool-dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCobalt Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Plenty of other Mods out and have been out for exactly that same game. Just add the Mod. over the original game, they seem to do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mubrak Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 (edited) Plenty of other Mods out and have been out for exactly that same game. Just add the Mod. over the original game, they seem to do fine. There is a difference between modifying the existing game by adding assets you own, and copying the game's assets to modify another game/engine. In the former case you just improve on the original work, in the later case you need permission to use the assets, and especially for music and voice acting, there isn't just the developer/publisher involved, but also the artist and their agency or publisher. Just look at all the Swtor videos that had ingame music originating from the original trilogy. These tracks are copyrighted by Sony; of course Lucasfilm has the right to use and sublicense them as they please, but a random youtuber's gameplay videos will be taken down or muted. Edited August 12, 2018 by Mubrak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith-Viscera Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 YEah you think SWTOR would at least up grade enough to give our planets a Night and day System. Even if its not just turns to day or night each time you go to a planet. Example: you go to Tattooine, one time and its Day time. Next time you return its night time. or Dusk or Dawn. Just by coming to and going away the days will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCobalt Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 E.A. and Valve think differently about customers I guess. (Black Mesa line) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emeraldon Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Since this technically is a free total conversion mod requiring purchase of the base game to run, they probably can actually. No, sorry. That's not how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionHalcyon Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) The question does become however, how long is ownership established and how long before it becomes public domain? Even if you own something, there is a period of time that can lapse where it becomes fair use. The amount of time usually is very significant, however, since Kotor was released in 2003, we are looking at 15 years having passed which is a significant amount of time. What we also do not know is how ownership was handled back then. I understand that the recording artists have ownership nowadays over their voices being used in certain projects. However that was not always the case. If Kotor was made before the voice acting Union was able to get those concessions, then it would only be for material from that point going forward and would not be retroactive. what I am saying is there is still a shot that those voice overs and sound effects can legally be used in a mod remaking the game without the need to go to court. There is a lot to consider rather than just issuing a blanket yes or no. That being said, if I were EA, given the quality of work that is being done, I would quietly be monitoring this mod and once everything but the sound is completed, or even if the sound is completed, rather than shutting it down I would have it demoed, tested, and then give the mod makers an offer: pay them for their work, granted on the cheap, in exchange for rights to the mod and credit for it, and then package it with whatever sound effects are needed to keep it legal and release it to the masses as a paid expansion of the game, or threaten the mod makers at that time with shutting them down and taking them to court. I know that sounds cutthroat, but if that is the only way we as fans ever get to experience this first-hand, I'd rather play it than not. Edited September 9, 2018 by ZionHalcyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phalczen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 That being said, if I were EA, given the quality of work that is being done, I would quietly be monitoring this mod and once everything but the sound is completed, or even if the sound is completed, rather than shutting it down I would have it demoed, tested, and then give the mod makers an offer: pay them for their work, granted on the cheap, in exchange for rights to the mod and credit for it, and then package it with whatever sound effects are needed to keep it legal and release it to the masses as a paid expansion of the game, or threaten the mod makers at that time with shutting them down and taking them to court. Has anything similar ever gone down that way in IP law? I just find it hard for EA to be that magnanimous. But, magnanimous or not, its been 7 years now and SWG emulators haven't been shut down by EA or Disney. I doubt it has escaped their notice … they allowed a reference to AV-21s in the Solo movie, and there is no other mention of AV-21 landspeeders anywhere except SWG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 The question does become however, how long is ownership established and how long before it becomes public domain? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright In short, it's usually a *long* time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMusic Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 aaaand its dead https://twitter.com/apeiron_kotor/status/1050410619927715840 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grania Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 aaaand its dead https://twitter.com/apeiron_kotor/status/1050410619927715840 That's a terrible shame. I actually bought the game recently (I've been playing swtor for years and never touched a kotor game) and I'm sorry to admit that I'm having kind of a hard time getting into it. There are a few different reasons I suppose, but it sure wouldn't hurt if the game looked a bit, well, you all know what it looks like. Try to imagine how it looks to someone who's playing it the first time in 2018. I woulda used that mod in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 That's a terrible shame. I actually bought the game recently (I've been playing swtor for years and never touched a kotor game) and I'm sorry to admit that I'm having kind of a hard time getting into it. There are a few different reasons I suppose, but it sure wouldn't hurt if the game looked a bit, well, you all know what it looks like. Try to imagine how it looks to someone who's playing it the first time in 2018. I woulda used that mod in a heartbeat. Yeah, I was also really looking forward to it. Although it was always a possibility that this would happen it doesn't make the situation any less disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCobalt Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Lucasfilm stomps Apeiron. That's too bad really it surely was creating a buzz and already copies of the original were being purchased so the Mod could be played for those that hadn't played it already. A Resurgence in an already Star Wars favorite was starting and Lucasfilm instead of fanning the (Star Wars) flame stomps it out. I guess if there's no money to be made nobody should have fun. Really sad when the Lawyers and Dollar signs outweigh the people. Reminds me of CBS running around stomping out Star Trek TOS *Like iterations wherever people create them for a show they didn't even like decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Lucasfilm stomps Apeiron. That's too bad really it surely was creating a buzz and already copies of the original were being purchased so the Mod could be played for those that hadn't played it already. A Resurgence in an already Star Wars favorite was starting and Lucasfilm instead of fanning the (Star Wars) flame stomps it out. I guess if there's no money to be made nobody should have fun. Really sad when the Lawyers and Dollar signs outweigh the people. Reminds me of CBS running around stomping out Star Trek TOS *Like iterations wherever people create them for a show they didn't even like decades ago. Yeah it's sad, I get they got to protect their IP but c'mon the thing would require an original copy of the game... alas it's the world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMusic Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 That's a terrible shame. I actually bought the game recently (I've been playing swtor for years and never touched a kotor game) and I'm sorry to admit that I'm having kind of a hard time getting into it. There are a few different reasons I suppose, but it sure wouldn't hurt if the game looked a bit, well, you all know what it looks like. Try to imagine how it looks to someone who's playing it the first time in 2018. I woulda used that mod in a heartbeat. i completely understand. Iv finished it few times when it came out and it was (and still is) one of the best games i ever played. Than i downloaded it recently for good old times and i couldn't even get off taris cos of graphic etc. so its not about you its just...its old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailaurius Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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