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No More Disney Star Wars References in this EU Game

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No More Disney Star Wars References in this EU Game

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Volcinar
04.11.2020 , 06:53 AM | #81
Just saying you sound like every Star Wars purest ever. Things change. Are the Disney items EA has inserted into the game a cash grab? Absolutely. But so is that Lando outfit they made recently, so is that sick glowing commando set they made, so is...etc...

Personally, the EU turned me off to Star Wars because it was a jumbled up mess of, in my opinion, fanfic. At least Disney has the opportunity to bring this all together and learn from their mistakes with the newest trilogy. They have the power to tie everything together with TV series and their own stories. And I believe they will. They've already hinted that the 2020's will be for Star Wars. So, just try to be optimistic.

This is the way.

also, caps don't always mean "yelling".

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boosterexo
04.11.2020 , 11:55 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Tofu_Shark View Post
Why the hell are you yelling? You think that's going to get me to agree with you? Nope.

It's not just they aren't the EU fans' Star Wars, but Disney threw away 30+ years of lore and a loyal fanbase that kept interest in Star Wars alive between trilogies like it was nothing. They weren't even worth the consideration or even a thanks. Disney then flouts the source material as if they created Star Wars and the EU, cannibalizing and corrupting elements from it as if this was a universe without any pre-established rules and laws.

The EU may be a patchwork of loosely connected, sometimes downright nonsensical stories, but many of those stories are rich because the writers respected the source material and the elements introduced in them contributed to the greater whole of the Galaxy Far, Far Away. Some of them are even excellent. That is its strength as well as its weakness. It is the reason why a game like SWTOR is rich in its own lore and continues that tradition. It stands on the shoulders of its predecessors. I will take the EU over the disorganized "plane that crashed into ship, that caused that ship to run aground, that caused a trainwreck, that caused a 50-car pileup" that is Disney Star Wars any day.

Disney's Star Wars is inferior to the EU in every way, in spite of the EU's faults. Disney thinks they can create something as good as the OT, PT, and EU, and they've been dead wrong and will continue to be dead wrong. It is nearly impossible to capture lightning in a bottle twice.

New players unfamiliar with the EU were coming to SWTOR because Disney Star Wars generated interest in the game, not because they put references to it in a conversation or two or started making CM weapons and outfits that referenced it. That's just a knee-jerk reaction from EA. And if the atrocity to art that is Disney Star Wars never existed, there would be some element of the EU that would've drawn them to the game. They come here and stay here because the game is a fount of Star Wars content. It doesn't need the Mouse ramming itself in to draw new players.

No, it's not [overused Mandalorian meme]. This game doesn't need Disney fanon references jammed in to survive. The EU is rich with lore. It stands on its own. It was doing fine without them.
Again I agree with everything here.

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Tofu_Shark
04.12.2020 , 03:22 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Volcinar View Post
Just saying you sound like every Star Wars purest ever. Things change. Are the Disney items EA has inserted into the game a cash grab? Absolutely. But so is that Lando outfit they made recently, so is that sick glowing commando set they made, so is...etc...

Personally, the EU turned me off to Star Wars because it was a jumbled up mess of, in my opinion, fanfic. At least Disney has the opportunity to bring this all together and learn from their mistakes with the newest trilogy. They have the power to tie everything together with TV series and their own stories. And I believe they will. They've already hinted that the 2020's will be for Star Wars. So, just try to be optimistic.

This is the way.

also, caps don't always mean "yelling".
Off-topic, but there was already a Lando outfit: Arkan, the guy from Bounty Week.

Disney has had the opportunity and squandered it. They have the power to ruin things too and have...in spades. They literally had all the ingredients, all the building blocks to add to something great, and what did they do, swung a wrecking ball and brought the whole house down.

Not everything needs to be tied together. Not everything is worth tying together.


You know this is not the way.

You want to stop arguing, because you're never going to change my mind.
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VanderII
04.12.2020 , 08:51 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Tofu_Shark View Post
It's come to my attention, Bioware, that you have slipped in references to Disney's Star Wars within the game. Outfits and weapons were toeing the line, this is sticking the tip of the nail over it:
  • Gatalentan tea and the world it comes from
  • A reference being interpreted by some as a possible reference to Ahch-to in the Republic Jedi Under Siege story

Players, if you know of any others, please share them in this thread.

This game is every EU fan's last refuge from Disney. Here, we can pretend the EU was never relegated as non-canon and the sequel trilogy, those awful standalone movies, and the poor imitation of Battlefront never happened.

Please do not make any more references to Disney's Star Wars. Disney has no place in an EU game. Keep their stuff out of an EU game. You are playing with fire by putting the streams dangerously close together, to mix metaphors.
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DarthDymond
04.12.2020 , 09:40 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by VanderII View Post
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We have to preserve this last Star Wars' place, far away from the influences of marvel or other genres that have no connection with the original Star wars philosophy
But Marvel pretty much was the EU for the first decade of "the original Star Wars". (Along with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Holiday Special, and the Droid and Ewoks cartoons.)
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VanderII
04.12.2020 , 12:14 PM | #86
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But Marvel pretty much was the EU for the first decade of "the original Star Wars". (Along with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Holiday Special, and the Droid and Ewoks cartoons.)
It's true, but I don't want see Avengers on Star Wars universe.
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Ollmich
04.13.2020 , 12:45 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Volcinar View Post
I don't understand the hate towards the new movies. i get it, they aren't your Star Wars, but they've created new fans in younger people that will grow up and hopefully pass on their love for Star Wars as I have with my children.

When I saw RoS there were kids in there eating that sh** up and I was so happy to see that.

Whether you like it or not, Star Wars isn't yours, and this is how it survives. This is the way, and I like it.
This argument doesnít hold water.

1. Merch based on DT and targeted at kids and teens doesnít sell. At the same time merch based on OT, PT and TCW still sells decently. Thereíre plenty of articles discussing this issue. Kids donít ask for it, parents donít buy.

2. Itís been 4 years since TFA. Some of these kids the movie was supposedly targeted at are young teens now. Somehow I donít see them all over the internet expressing their appreciation towards DT. On the contrary, I saw some of them on the so called ďhate subsĒ and was surprised that they even care. Thereíre franchises that are far more attractive for teens than old school Star Wars with its futuristic shabbiness. MCU, for instance.

3. Itís also amusing how TLJ fans keep claiming that this movie is a masterpiece, and those who donít agree arenít just smart enough to comprehend it. A movie made for kids, huh?

Iíd say the only new demographic DT attracted is young females dreaming of Reylo, and theyíre even more toxic than Fandom Menace when they donít get what they want or donít like what they get. Besides, as soon as they smell another Twilight in another franchise theyíll move there.

Pissing off old fans whoís been keeping the franchise alive for 40 years, and hoping that theyíll be easily replaced with younger ones, isnít exactly smart move. Plenty of these pissed fans are parents and maybe even grandparents who donít want their kids watching what they donít approve.

Quote: Originally Posted by Volcinar View Post
Personally, the EU turned me off to Star Wars because it was a jumbled up mess of, in my opinion, fanfic. At least Disney has the opportunity to bring this all together and learn from their mistakes with the newest trilogy. They have the power to tie everything together with TV series and their own stories. And I believe they will. They've already hinted that the 2020's will be for Star Wars. So, just try to be optimistic.
I mean, even three parts of their AAA trilogy contradict each other and don't make sense as a whole thing. Every time they try to fix it in additinonal content (art books, novelization, comics) they make things even worse. Rey's a nobody and Kylo's antipode, nope, Rey's Palp's granddaughter, nope, Rey's daughter of Palp's failed clone, well, forget about it, it doesn't matter anyway sinse she's a Skywalker now.

And according to the dude from the Lucasfilm story group, they don't care about continuity and consistency. I find it hard to believe that they'll manage to tie all the stuff they're going to release or even try to do so.

Sorry for off-topic.

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Tofu_Shark
04.15.2020 , 05:06 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
But Marvel pretty much was the EU for the first decade of "the original Star Wars". (Along with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Holiday Special, and the Droid and Ewoks cartoons.)
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It's true, but I don't want see Avengers on Star Wars universe.
While it is true, the Marvel era of the EU is largely dismissed. I don't think it was even remotely managed at that time. The EU really didn't really start to grow and be taken seriously as part of Star Wars until the Shadows of the Empire multimedia project and the Thrawn Trilogy.

Again, a strength of the EU is parts of it that are unfavorable can be easily dismissed, and parts that are loved can be embraced and if there was the will to, integrated into canon.
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Tofu_Shark
06.28.2020 , 10:39 AM | #89
What in the nine Corellian Hells, Bioware! A reference to the kriffing BB-8 map from Force Awakens?!

Stop slipping Disney Star Wars references directly into the game's story and environment. I don't care about items, as long as they don't show up on NPCs, but this and the Baby Yoda ad are kriffing endorsements of Disney Star Wars within the game's universe.

I don't see the EU being able to blatantly influence Disney Star Wars. Disney threw out the entire EU, including this game, so the Mouse should keep its white-gloved fingers out of this EU game. There will be a plethora of new Disney Star Wars games. There will be no more EU games.

Those Disney fans want references to their universe, they can play their games, but if they want to play in ours, they (and the developers, because you guys put this stuff in the game) should have to respect the one we embrace. Their enabling of these actions by Disney fans should be ignored. The developers respected this was an EU game until The Force Awakens came out. Around that time, they released the crossguard saber, which was an item, so I had no problem with it, as long as an NPC never carried it. I know this is marketing, but there's a difference between straight-up marketing, and marketing using a secondary brand that then influences the first brand's product.

Leave this game's universe untainted by Disney. Disney has no place in an EU game. Keep their stuff out of an EU game. Disney fans, we have no say in your kriffing universe, so keep your crap out of ours.


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jedimasterjac
06.28.2020 , 10:37 PM | #90
Grow up lmao
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