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No More Disney Star Wars References in this EU Game

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No More Disney Star Wars References in this EU Game

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Willjb
01.09.2020 , 07:59 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Tofu_Shark View Post
It's come to my attention, Bioware, that you have slipped in references to Disney's Star Wars within the game. Outfits and weapons were toeing the line, this is sticking the tip of the nail over it:
  • Gatalentan tea and the world it comes from
  • A reference being interpreted by some as a possible reference to Ahch-to in the Republic Jedi Under Siege story

Players, if you know of any others, please share them in this thread.

This game is every EU fan's last refuge from Disney. Here, we can pretend the EU was never relegated as non-canon and the sequel trilogy, those awful standalone movies, and the poor imitation of Battlefront never happened.

Please do not make any more references to Disney's Star Wars. Disney has no place in an EU game. Keep their stuff out of an EU game. You are playing with fire by putting the streams dangerously close together, to mix metaphors.
^-1, OPPOSED: just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other players shouldn't enjoy it if they want. I love my cross guard lightsabers and would pay whatever BioWare wants for a ToR version of Kylo Ren's robes and The Mandalorian full Beskar armor.

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dodongamping
01.10.2020 , 11:58 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Willjb View Post
^-1, OPPOSED: just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other players shouldn't enjoy it if they want. I love my cross guard lightsabers and would pay whatever BioWare wants for a ToR version of Kylo Ren's robes and The Mandalorian full Beskar armor.
I personally do not care for the cross guard sabers. However, I think the game would benefit from a healthy mix of Disney and EU elements. I would like to see Darth Nihl's single bladed staff saber. Disney gave it a nice twist (intended or not) with the pike. Ezra's hybrid saber/stun blaster would make a nice addition as well but that would be a whole other class of its own. Probably a mix between a Jedi and a smuggler.

The Mandalorian's Beskar armor isn't too far off from the EU's Beskar'gam. There had been many versions that there's really no standard design aside from the unmistakeable "T" shaped visor on the helmets. As long as that's present, they can dress Yuuzhan Vong in tutu's for all I care. Disney is winning for a reason. But that can't take away a true fan's love for the EU and pre-Disney canon.

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Tharandil
01.23.2020 , 02:02 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by dodongamping View Post
"T" shaped visor on the helmets
Exept for the distinct differences between male and female helmets since the clone wars tv series...

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JediQuaker
02.09.2020 , 11:37 AM | #74
As a Star Wars fan - or, maybe, ex-fan - I've been very disappointed with Disney's version. The movie franchise is essentially dead to me.
However, also, I would appear to be not a "true" SW fan because I know nothing of the EU, or any of the animated series or comics. Nor do I watch "The Mandalorian". Nor do I care about it to that extent.

Nowadays, I still enjoy playing SWTOR and I don't care (or know, most of the time) where things come from, whether it's the so called "EU" or Disney.
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wainot-keel
02.13.2020 , 01:29 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
As a Star Wars fan - or, maybe, ex-fan - I've been very disappointed with Disney's version. The movie franchise is essentially dead to me.
However, also, I would appear to be not a "true" SW fan because I know nothing of the EU, or any of the animated series or comics. Nor do I watch "The Mandalorian". Nor do I care about it to that extent.

Nowadays, I still enjoy playing SWTOR and I don't care (or know, most of the time) where things come from, whether it's the so called "EU" or Disney.
Kinda in the same boat. I have zero knowledge of the EU. But for me Star Wars ended with ROTJ, the movie where Palpatine died and the Death Star was like, I don't know... vaporized ?

Now, when it comes to swtor if it is that chump's lightsaber we're talking about, meh.... I don't care. But if I start seeing objects being teleported through force skype... ugh.... really ?

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Tofu_Shark
03.29.2020 , 05:42 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Tharandil View Post
Exept for the distinct differences between male and female helmets since the clone wars tv series...
This is getting off-topic, but this must be addressed.

That could be handwaved as the Nite Owls having a distinct look to their helmets, but I don't recall the portrayal of any other armored, female Mandalorians in the show. If there were and they weren't Nite Owls (and I don't remember) and they were shown with those helmets it would be problematic, as one could only conclude that they did that for the animation, because Force forbid if the female Mandalorians wearing a suit of armor cannot be easily distinguished from the males. And Mandalorian society seems to be pretty egalitarian between the sexes.

Eyes (or in this case, a visor) are a common way to visually represent differences between male and female characters in animation. It would be the dominant culture asserting itself over the representation of female Mandalorians. (See here for a deeper explanation, only in the context of race/ethnicity instead of sex and gender.) If it was a specific organization of Mandalorians, which it seems to be, that would be different.

However, there are male members of the Nite Owls, and they do not have the flared visor that the females possess. I don't recall any other time female Mandalorians were depicted on the show and that is troubling. If it was only the leader of the Nite Owls that had a different visor, it could be explained as a "hero model," something different or in greater detail to distinguish an important character from the others, but that's not the case.

I hope someone with better knowledge of the show's details can point out female, armor-clad Mandalorians that aren't part of the Nite Owls. Otherwise, the only conclusion that can be drawn is the female Nite Owls have the flared visor to immediately identify them as "not male," which asserts that the norm is male.
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DarthDymond
04.06.2020 , 06:15 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Tofu_Shark View Post
This is getting off-topic, but this must be addressed.

That could be handwaved as the Nite Owls having a distinct look to their helmets, but I don't recall the portrayal of any other armored, female Mandalorians in the show. If there were and they weren't Nite Owls (and I don't remember) and they were shown with those helmets it would be problematic, as one could only conclude that they did that for the animation, because Force forbid if the female Mandalorians wearing a suit of armor cannot be easily distinguished from the males.

Eyes (or in this case, a visor) are a common way to visually represent differences between male and female characters in animation. It would be the dominant culture asserting itself over the representation of female Mandalorians. (See here for a deeper explanation, only in the context of race/ethnicity instead of sex and gender.) If it was a specific organization of Mandalorians, which it seems to be, that would be different.

However, there are male members of the Nite Owls, and they do not have the flared visor that the females possess. I don't recall any other time female Mandalorians were depicted on the show and that is troubling. If it was only the leader of the Nite Owls that had a different visor, it could be explained as a "hero model," something different or in greater detail to distinguish an important character from the others, but that's not the case.

I hope someone with better knowledge of the show's details can point out female, armor-clad Mandalorians that aren't part of the Nite Owls. Otherwise, the only conclusion that can be drawn is the female Nite Owls have the flared visor to immediately identify them as "not male," which asserts that the norm is male.
I don't believe there are non-Nite Owl female Mandos shown in The Clone Wars, but "The Armorer" on The Mandalorian has the same visor design (with respect to her eyes / visor), and she has no known affiliation with the Nite Owls.

Sabine Wren, from Rebels, does as well, although in her case it could still be attributed to clan affiliation -- although she personally was not a Nite Owl, her mother was a member and Sabine's helmet design is generally evocative of an owl. Various unidentified female Mandalorians allied with Clan Wren (clearly using cut-and-paste character designs for larger battles), but again not explicitly identified as Nite Owls, were the same.
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Tofu_Shark
04.06.2020 , 02:55 PM | #78
That's Disney, it doesn't count. It's erroneous to my tangent.
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Volcinar
04.08.2020 , 04:52 PM | #79
I don't understand the hate towards the new movies. i get it, they aren't your Star Wars, but they've created new fans in younger people that will grow up and hopefully pass on their love for Star Wars as I have with my children.

When I saw RoS there were kids in there eating that sh** up and I was so happy to see that.

Whether you like it or not, Star Wars isn't yours, and this is how it survives. This is the way, and I like it.

But to stay on topic, I think the examples people have given as being inserted into SWTOR are to....i dunno...appeal to the new fans of Star Wars and keep the game alive...

SEE WHERE I'M GOING HERE?

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Tofu_Shark
04.10.2020 , 12:13 PM | #80
Why the hell are you yelling? You think that's going to get me to agree with you? Nope.

It's not just they aren't the EU fans' Star Wars, but Disney threw away 30+ years of lore and a loyal fanbase that kept interest in Star Wars alive between trilogies like it was nothing. They weren't even worth the consideration or even a thanks. Disney then flouts the source material as if they created Star Wars and the EU, cannibalizing and corrupting elements from it as if this was a universe without any pre-established rules and laws.

The EU may be a patchwork of loosely connected, sometimes downright nonsensical stories, but many of those stories are rich because the writers respected the source material and the elements introduced in them contributed to the greater whole of the Galaxy Far, Far Away. Some of them are even excellent. That is its strength as well as its weakness. It is the reason why a game like SWTOR is rich in its own lore and continues that tradition. It stands on the shoulders of its predecessors. I will take the EU over the disorganized "plane that crashed into ship, that caused that ship to run aground, that caused a trainwreck, that caused a 50-car pileup" that is Disney Star Wars any day.

Disney's Star Wars is inferior to the EU in every way, in spite of the EU's faults. Disney thinks they can create something as good as the OT, PT, and EU, and they've been dead wrong and will continue to be dead wrong. It is nearly impossible to capture lightning in a bottle twice.

New players unfamiliar with the EU were coming to SWTOR because Disney Star Wars generated interest in the game, not because they put references to it in a conversation or two or started making CM weapons and outfits that referenced it. That's just a knee-jerk reaction from EA. And if the atrocity to art that is Disney Star Wars never existed, there would be some element of the EU that would've drawn them to the game. They come here and stay here because the game is a fount of Star Wars content. It doesn't need the Mouse ramming itself in to draw new players.

No, it's not [overused Mandalorian meme]. This game doesn't need Disney fanon references jammed in to survive. The EU is rich with lore. It stands on its own. It was doing fine without them.
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