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It's a bit silly that he survived and didn't get discovered for 10 years. However, with GG being nerfed from a Jedi killer to a dumb cyborg, Durge never showed up, Ventress left CIS' side, Dooku should stay behind and Palpatine must hide behind the stage for the most of the time. We still have a powerful, dreadful and foe in TCW.
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I just don't know why does TCW hate GG so much and they didn't let Durge show up.

 

Well, their following the movies. In the movies it describe GG as a coward who always runs and hides. The comics made him this Jedi-Killer.

 

 

So now you gotta ask, are they going to follow George or follow some comic?

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Well, their following the movies. In the movies it describe GG as a coward who always runs and hides. The comics made him this Jedi-Killer.

 

 

So now you gotta ask, are they going to follow George or follow some comic?

 

No, the movie novel said GG is very powerful and a Jedi killer, even in the movie he didn't let his droids kill Obi Wan when he could and almost killed Obi Wan.

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No, the movie novel said GG is very powerful an a Jedi killer, even in the movie he didn't let his droids kill Obi Wan when he could and almost killed Obi Wan.

 

Yes but he only fights when he knows, he has a chance to win said fight. Other times, he runs away.

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No, the movie novel said GG is very powerful and a Jedi killer, even in the movie he didn't let his droids kill Obi Wan when he could and almost killed Obi Wan.

 

In the fight against Obi-wan he fled after he was disarmed multiple times. And led Obi on a chase.

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If your talking about the mini series, its really being taken with a grain of salt. The fights and powers were so ridiculiously over the top.

 

Its already been retconned multiple times by the current TCW.

 

One example of a direct contradiction between The Clone Wars and Clone Wars is the use of Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptors at the same point in the timeline Anakin is knighted[77], whereas in The Clone Wars Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptors are used, which were ostensibly used before the later Eta-2s

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Your missing my point. He is a coward who flee's allot. He fled twice in Ep. 3, he was running from Mace Windu in the original TCW Cartoon.

 

So are you saying Obi Wan and Yoda are cowards since they flee from the Empire, especially Yoda flee from Palpatine in the duel?

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Its already been retconned multiple times by the current TCW.

 

Many comics and novels proved GG is very powerful. Even in RotS' movie novel.

 

He has never constructed a lightsaber. He has never bought one, nor has

he recovered one that was lost. Each and all, he has taken from the dead

hands of Jedi he has killed. Personally.

He has many, many such trophies; the four he carries with him are his

particular favorites. One belonged to the interminable K'Kruhk, whom he

had

bested at Hypori; another to the Viraanntesse Jedi Jmmaar, who'd fallen at

Vandos; the other two had been created by Puroth and Nystammall, whom

Grievous had slaughtered together on the flame-grass plains of Tovarskl so

that each would know the other's death, as well as their own; these are

murders he recalls with so much pleasure that touching these

souvenirs with his hands of armorplast and durasteel brings him something

resembling joy.

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Many comics and novels proved GG is very powerful. Even in RotS' movie novel.

Lets bypass the comics and the novels, they are sub-canon. RotS novel is the only one that is credible. Grievous in the mini-series was over powered, I'm sure even you can agree with that. And the Grievous of the new series has been toned down. Whether you believe Grievous is a coward or not, is irrelevant, I for one do not think he is, he's smart and knows when he is beaten and when he can't win. And why fight by yourself when you have a droid army to back you up? So Grievous's excessive retreats in the TCW is acceptable and matches the films.

 

So lets move on to powers. Where, specifically, may I ask - does Grievous show himself to be weaker than how he has been represented in RotS and the novel (lets exclude all other sources apart from these)? Lets go through it step by step:

 

1. Duels with Kenobi - either a lose or a draw, which fits with RotS seeing as Kenobi defeated and killed him.

2. Ashoka Tano - easy win, makes sense: she is a padawan.Only managed to escape due to the explosions, would have been killed if this had not happened.

3. Kit Fisto and Dahdar - Fisto is a Jedi Master on the Council, and an expert duelist. The battle was a draw, so if anything this show Grievous to be strong. Dahdar was killed easily. No problems here.

4. Eeth Koth - Again, Koth is a master on the Council, and one of the best duelists. He beats Grievous but only just, and we can't say for sure because his magna guards intervened.

5. Adi Gallia - defeats her with relative ease and captures her. Makes sense, seeing as originally Adi Gallia died at Grievous's hands. Gallia is on the Council so this is a plus in his favour.

6. The Gungan Incident - Grievous is chopping Gungans up left right and center, and kills their leader easily. Only defeated when with his last strength and at close-quarters he shocks him. No problems here.

7. Ventress - Grievous is defeated by Ventress, although we can't say for sure as the battle was cut short but she had the upper hand. No suprises here really, Ventress has the dark side and is Dooku's apprentice. She is extremely powerful and if Grievous was stronger she would be a rubbish sith.

 

And thats it, so whats the big problem?

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Lets bypass the comics and the novels, they are sub-canon. RotS novel is the only one that is credible. Grievous in the mini-series was over powered, I'm sure even you can agree with that. And the Grievous of the new series has been toned down. Whether you believe Grievous is a coward or not, is irrelevant, I for one do not think he is, he's smart and knows when he is beaten and when he can't win. And why fight by yourself when you have a droid army to back you up? So Grievous's excessive retreats in the TCW is acceptable and matches the films.

 

So lets move on to powers. Where, specifically, may I ask - does Grievous show himself to be weaker than how he has been represented in RotS and the novel (lets exclude all other sources apart from these)? Lets go through it step by step:

 

1. Duels with Kenobi - either a lose or a draw, which fits with RotS seeing as Kenobi defeated and killed him.

2. Ashoka Tano - easy win, makes sense: she is a padawan.Only managed to escape due to the explosions, would have been killed if this had not happened.

3. Kit Fisto and Dahdar - Fisto is a Jedi Master on the Council, and an expert duelist. The battle was a draw, so if anything this show Grievous to be strong. Dahdar was killed easily. No problems here.

4. Eeth Koth - Again, Koth is a master on the Council, and one of the best duelists. He beats Grievous but only just, and we can't say for sure because his magna guards intervened.

5. Adi Gallia - defeats her with relative ease and captures her. Makes sense, seeing as originally Adi Gallia died at Grievous's hands. Gallia is on the Council so this is a plus in his favour.

6. The Gungan Incident - Grievous is chopping Gungans up left right and center, and kills their leader easily. Only defeated when with his last strength and at close-quarters he shocks him. No problems here.

7. Ventress - Grievous is defeated by Ventress, although we can't say for sure as the battle was cut short but she had the upper hand. No suprises here really, Ventress has the dark side and is Dooku's apprentice. She is extremely powerful and if Grievous was stronger she would be a rubbish sith.

 

And thats it, so whats the big problem?

 

No, comics and cartoons are canon unless they contradict with G Canon, RotS novel also followed the event of Labyrinth of Evil and it confirmed GG's first battle in CW.

 

Even in the comic he beat Durge and Ventress, why would he lose to Ventress alone? And, got captured by Gungan?

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No, comics and cartoons are canon unless they contradict with G Canon, RotS novel also followed the event of Labyrinth of Evil and it confirmed GG's first battle in CW.

 

Even in the comic he beat Durge and Ventress, why would he lose to Ventress alone? And, got captured by Gungan?

I didn't say they are not canon, but they are overridden by G and T Canon. So if it potrays Grievous as a super powerful jedi killer in one comic, and not in the television and films, we must assume that the writer has overpowered him. As for what you say about Durge and Ventress, what I said above applies. But also, that was not Ventress at the height of her power, far from it, as the duel was before Grievous became Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies. At the point of their duel on Dathomir, Ventress's powers had increased considerably. Hence why Sidious ordered Dooku to kill her, he saw her increasing power as a threat.

 

As for the Gungans, people just hate on that because they were Gungans and therefore assume they are all like Jar Jar. They in fact had every advantage, the Gungan Grand Army is nothing to scoff at. Not only was Grievous heavily outnumbered, but they had him surrounded and with weaponry extremely effective against droids and therefore cyborgs. However, even against these odds Grievous was winning. Of course he couldn't have killed them all and would likely been forced into retreat, but the only reason the Gungan's got the upper hand was because Captain Tarpals impaled him at close-quarters as he died, which Grievous couldn't have defended against.

 

EDIT: Judging by that fight, the Gungans seem better fighters than your average clone trooper - who would have been torn apart by anything wielding a lightsaber.

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I didn't say they are not canon, but they are overridden by G and T Canon. So if it potrays Grievous as a super powerful jedi killer in one comic, and not in the television and films, we must assume that the writer has overpowered him. As for what you say about Durge and Ventress, what I said above applies. But also, that was not Ventress at the height of her power, far from it, as the duel was before Grievous became Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies. At the point of their duel on Dathomir, Ventress's powers had increased considerably. Hence why Sidious ordered Dooku to kill her, he saw her increasing power as a threat.

 

As for the Gungans, people just hate on that because they were Gungans and therefore assume they are all like Jar Jar. They in fact had every advantage, the Gungan Grand Army is nothing to scoff at. Not only was Grievous heavily outnumbered, but they had him surrounded and with weaponry extremely effective against droids and therefore cyborgs. However, even against these odds Grievous was winning. Of course he couldn't have killed them all and would likely been forced into retreat, but the only reason the Gungan's got the upper hand was because Captain Tarpals impaled him at close-quarters as he died, which Grievous couldn't have defended against.

 

EDIT: Judging by that fight, the Gungans seem better fighters than your average clone trooper - who would have been torn apart by anything wielding a lightsaber.

 

The G canon actually confirmed these EU events, it didn't not override them. And he beat both Durge and Ventress in that battle, from what we see, Durge could even beat Anakin in brutal strength but he was impaled by GG.

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The G canon actually confirmed these EU events, it didn't not override them. And he beat both Durge and Ventress in that battle, from what we see, Durge could even beat Anakin in brutal strength but he was impaled by GG.

It may still hold as T-Canon, but the 'toning down' of Grievous in the new series seems to bring into question its credibility. As from your logic if Durge could beat Anakin and Grievous could beat Durge and Ventress at the same time, then Grievous would wipe the floor with Obi-Wan. This does not happen, so the Clone Wars and RotS have pratically rendered than fight overpowered if not non-canon. Basically what I'm trying to say is that Grievous the super jedi killer is overpowered, Grievous simply isn't that tough.

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I didn't say they are not canon, but they are overridden by G and T Canon. So if it potrays Grievous as a super powerful jedi killer in one comic, and not in the television and films, we must assume that the writer has overpowered him. As for what you say about Durge and Ventress, what I said above applies. But also, that was not Ventress at the height of her power, far from it, as the duel was before Grievous became Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies. At the point of their duel on Dathomir, Ventress's powers had increased considerably. Hence why Sidious ordered Dooku to kill her, he saw her increasing power as a threat.

 

As for the Gungans, people just hate on that because they were Gungans and therefore assume they are all like Jar Jar. They in fact had every advantage, the Gungan Grand Army is nothing to scoff at. Not only was Grievous heavily outnumbered, but they had him surrounded and with weaponry extremely effective against droids and therefore cyborgs. However, even against these odds Grievous was winning. Of course he couldn't have killed them all and would likely been forced into retreat, but the only reason the Gungan's got the upper hand was because Captain Tarpals impaled him at close-quarters as he died, which Grievous couldn't have defended against.

 

EDIT: Judging by that fight, the Gungans seem better fighters than your average clone trooper - who would have been torn apart by anything wielding a lightsaber.

 

Sucks that Tarpals died....Gungans are extremely underrated.

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This cannon battle doesn't matter. Fact is, GG is weaker now and you have to deal with it. It's dumb, but it's the way it is.

But that's not what I arguing. I'm arguing that Grievous was never super strong in the first place, this 'dumb' Grievous is Grievous, he just ain't that strong.

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It may still hold as T-Canon, but the 'toning down' of Grievous in the new series seems to bring into question its credibility. As from your logic if Durge could beat Anakin and Grievous could beat Durge and Ventress at the same time, then Grievous would wipe the floor with Obi-Wan. This does not happen, so the Clone Wars and RotS have pratically rendered than fight overpowered if not non-canon. Basically what I'm trying to say is that Grievous the super jedi killer is overpowered, Grievous simply isn't that tough.

 

I said Durge is stronger on strength, still he+Ventress at that time is surely stronger than TCW Ventress.

 

And GG is a super Jedi killer, only Durge might have more Jedi killing number than him in the whole clone war. Even Mace Windu, in LoE could not beat him in short time and he was able to analyze most of the moves of Vaapad during the battle then adjust his technique, Mace also mentioned it in RotS novel. In the battle he easily chopped down 4 jedi in a few moments before he captured Palpatine.

 

And those elite still on their feet had altered their combat stances and

offensive moves to adapt to the guards' defensive strategies. Grievous

enjoyed going against so many Jedi simultaneously. If time wasn't of the

essence, he might have protracted the fight. Feinting with the blade in his

right hand, he removed the head of one Jedi with the blade in his left.

 

Distracted when his right foot inadvertently booted the rolling head of his

comrade, the Ithorian dropped his guard momentarily, and received as

penalty a thrust to the heart that dropped him to his knees before he

pitched forward. Stepping back to absorb what had happened, the two

remaining Jedi came at Grievous in concert, twirling and leaping about as if

putting on some sort of crowd-pleasing martial arts demonstration. For

practice, Grievous called two more blades from his belt, grasping them in

his feet even as the antigrav repulsors built into his legs were lifting him

from the floor, making him every bit as agile as the Force did the Jedi.

 

With his four blades to the Jedi's two, the duel had come full circle.

Whirling, he severed the blade hand of the Talz, then his opposing foot,

then took his l ife, as well. Mists of blood formed in the air, swirled about by

the ventilators.

 

The fourth he intimidated into retreat by wheeling all four blades,

transforming himself into a veritable chopping machine. Fear blossomed in

the Twi'lek Jedi's dark eyes as she backed away. He had her on the run,

poor thing. But he awarded her some measure of dignity by allowing her to

land glancing blows on his forearms and shoulders. The burns did little

more than add a new odor to the room.

 

Emboldened, she pressed her attack, but was fast exhausting herself from

the effort of trying to amputate one of his limbs - - to hurt him in some

fashion.

 

And all for what? Grievous asked himself. The timid old man backed to the

bunker's rear wall? The would-be champion of democracy, who had loosed

his clone army against the merchants and builders and traders who

opposed his rule - - his Republic? Best to put the Jedi out of her misery,

Grievous thought.

 

Which he did with a single blade to the heart - - for it would have been

cruel to do otherwise. Elsewhere his three surviving elites were doing well

against five Red Guards. With time counting down, he waded into the thick

of the action. Sensing him, one guard feinted a rotation to the left, then

pivoted to the right with his force pike raised at face level.

 

A move Grievous could appreciate, although he was no longer in the space

through which the weapon sliced. Using two blades, he nipped the guard's

cowled head from his torso.

 

The next he speared from behind in both kidneys. Opening the backs of

another's thighs, he moved on, disemboweling the fourth. The last guard

was already dead by the time he reached him. With a gesture, Grievous

instructed his elite to secure the bunker's hexagonal door. Then,

deactivating his lightsabers, he turned to Palpatine.

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