DkSharktooth Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I Hate Pugs. Let My Companion into Operations. Companions can be used in flashpoints, so why not operations? I can control my companion and they tank, heal, and dps better than pugs. Please allow companions to be used in operations. Note: This will be an improvement to the Quality of Life changes (QOL) promised after 2.0 Note2: I am in a full guild, sometimes people can't make it and you need replacements. We don't want to pug and would rather use a companion. Edited April 19, 2013 by DkSharktooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dampeer Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 +1 i support this, most of the time i can micro my companion better than most pugs can do by themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkillon Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 **** pugs omg. THREAD SUPPORTED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobearx Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 ^^^ ....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand these are the guys that are kick and blacklist for pulling a noob move in OPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniqueantique Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Allowing companions into operations would be a good way to allow us to make full use of them. There are times when my healer works with me better than Khem. But I've had little actual reason to work with Andronikus or Ashara. Ashara does not work well with female mains no matter how well she is treated or gifted, in my experience. Double equipping hk-51, at the time of acquiring him, with the exact same set of gear he was wearing, was a waste, as no other character can use it: stripping the mods was the only thing to do. And as much as I like Hk-51, after equipping self, healer and Khem, the incentive to equip and work with other characters does not warrant the time or cost. Andronikus' story line is finished, and a ranged companion is just not a great help to me as a sorcerer: he does not protect me nor heal me. Others will disagree I'm sure. In time I may gear both Xerse and Hk-51 but not soon. Too much else to do. Khem tanks very well, Talos heals very well. I solo with both very well. I would like to do more than just solo with my companions. I would even like to be able to group with two of them at a time. Myself, Khem and Talos woud be a very good group. I 3 boxed in EQ, so running 2 companions at the same time is not that difficult. Before I'm reminded that this is an mmo, I respond, it is a very good solo game also. And I break out in hives at the thought of Pugs. They try, I try. we fail. By soloing I lose out on an important part of the game, the high end ops. etc. I have participated in some of them. I like exploring and solving the quests myself. SWtor is very good, imo, in that it gives choices. Solo, group, craft, use what ever companion you wish. Edited April 19, 2013 by Uniqueantique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLordMagnus Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 no join a guild and run them properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissbob Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 While I don't like threads complaining about PUGS.... (If you don't want to PUG, join a guild and form the group yourself) I don't really see what the downside to adding this is. It also helps if someone randomly DC's or leaves and you need a temporary replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzoorrzz Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Dou u need to control everything to enjoy the game? The point of operations is people getting synchronized. How does your comp fit in... Anyway, I don't care, so be it. Let people use comps if they want. All I know is that I won't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiniba Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Not a horrid idea the main issue is some fights might be nearly impossible to do or significantly harder (and yes you might be able to micro but it could create a new you need to be able to micromanage your companion because you equipped your M1-4X really well and we need a second tank for tank swapping, or something silly). Basically, they would fall short on a lot of fights A. their damage/healing and stuff is not equivalent to a geared player. B. raid mechanics. Without tons of finagling with the go passive, attack commands any companion would just die during the last fight in KP without making healers waste tons of energy keeping him/her alive in the tar and what not). Think about The Fabricator that's one less person that can work the puzzle potentially. Or the puzzle fight in TfB. To make it viable they'd have to balance the fights around having companions in the group which would make them all simple tank and spanks. Now allowing them in, in general I don't see the problem with that, but they should never be expected and the raids should never be balanced around the companions doing decently. (IF they count as a group member). On a somewhat related note: it could be interesting if they did a system, similar to other MMOs, where companions weren't considered part of the group size for a certain version of the run (social run idk), so basically the group is double sized but half companions (who would be excluded from certain raid mechanics). Not a perfect idea but just something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaricSevGirl Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Andronikus' story line is finished, and a ranged companion is just not a great help to me as a sorcerer: he does not protect me nor heal me. Others will disagree I'm sure. In time I may gear both Xerse and Hk-51 but not soon. Too much else to do. As a sorc, you should be healing yourself and companions. Andronikos is awesome. Sorcs are the best healers. You are wasting potential if you are not healing. Edited April 19, 2013 by AlaricSevGirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakamp Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I Hate Pugs. Let My Companion into Operations. Companions can be used in flashpoints, so why not operations? I can control my companion and they tank, heal, and dps better than pugs. Please allow companions to be used in operations. Note: This will be an improvement to the Quality of Life changes (QOL) promised after 2.0 Note2: I am in a full guild, sometimes people can't make it and you need replacements. We don't want to pug and would rather use a companion. lol, agree, further more, CHANGE the dmn SWTOR into a console game, we DON'T need an MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavery Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 If you can't do a raid (without pugging) because someone can't make it, then your bench isn't deep enough. This is something your guild can easily rectify. No to companions in Operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelther Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) /signed Can't stand pugs. Companions may not be very tough number-wise but at least we have full control over them. No to companions in Operations. What will you LOSE if some people do ops with companions? You want real people do it with them, we want bots, we'll do it with them. further more, CHANGE the dmn SWTOR into a console game, we DON'T need an MMO. Add "and PC" after "console" and I'll agree with you. Edited April 19, 2013 by Aelther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) lol, agree, further more, CHANGE the dmn SWTOR into a console game, we DON'T need an MMO. To change ToR into a console game, they'd have to reduce crafting to a basic minimum, remove major social hubs, remove GTN, remove massive quest areas where you can bump into random people, remove world bosses, remove open pvp areas/objectives (like the recurring Gree event), etc. TL: DR version - raids don't make a game an MMO. Scope, choice, community and ways for the community to interact makes an MMO. What will you LOSE if some people do ops with companions? You want real people do it with them, we want bots, we'll do it with them. Because some people are so horrible they're afraid to be replaced by an NPC. Edited April 19, 2013 by Helig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZirusZero Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Don't forget the PvE bolster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelther Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Don't forget the PvE bolster! What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyVix Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 If you think the ninjas are bad now, by allowing companions into ops, you'll have the entire raid party rolling on your items so that they can equip their ops companions. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kophar Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I Hate Pugs. Let My Companion into Operations. Companions can be used in flashpoints, so why not operations? I can control my companion and they tank, heal, and dps better than pugs. Please allow companions to be used in operations. Note: This will be an improvement to the Quality of Life changes (QOL) promised after 2.0 Note2: I am in a full guild, sometimes people can't make it and you need replacements. We don't want to pug and would rather use a companion. O.o, pretty well though. /support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 If you think the ninjas are bad now, by allowing companions into ops, you'll have the entire raid party rolling on your items so that they can equip their ops companions. No thanks. This has already been happening since launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcadamsl Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Not a horrid idea the main issue is some fights might be nearly impossible to do or significantly harder (and yes you might be able to micro but it could create a new you need to be able to micromanage your companion because you equipped your M1-4X really well and we need a second tank for tank swapping, or something silly). Basically, they would fall short on a lot of fights A. their damage/healing and stuff is not equivalent to a geared player. B. raid mechanics. Without tons of finagling with the go passive, attack commands any companion would just die during the last fight in KP without making healers waste tons of energy keeping him/her alive in the tar and what not). Think about The Fabricator that's one less person that can work the puzzle potentially. Or the puzzle fight in TfB. To make it viable they'd have to balance the fights around having companions in the group which would make them all simple tank and spanks. Now allowing them in, in general I don't see the problem with that, but they should never be expected and the raids should never be balanced around the companions doing decently. (IF they count as a group member). On a somewhat related note: it could be interesting if they did a system, similar to other MMOs, where companions weren't considered part of the group size for a certain version of the run (social run idk), so basically the group is double sized but half companions (who would be excluded from certain raid mechanics). Not a perfect idea but just something. What he said, companions in raids would turn every fight into nothing but a tank and spank fight, waste of time and resources for Bioware to do,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshlaBoga Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) What he said, companions in raids would turn every fight into nothing but a tank and spank fight, waste of time and resources for Bioware to do,,, I think the OP is focusing on the kinds of players you encounter in pugs, the ones where if you made no changes whatsoever to the operation, a companion would still be superior. My advice is this: STOP PUGGING. JOIN A GUILD. Edited April 19, 2013 by AshlaBoga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 lol, agree, further more, CHANGE the dmn SWTOR into a console game, we DON'T need an MMO. You can't change an MMO into a console game once it's made and a year later, for PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastaKorgy Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Love this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcadamsl Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think the OP is focusing on the kinds of players you encounter in pugs, the ones where if you made no changes whatsoever to the operation, a companion would still be superior. My advice is this: STOP PUGGING. JOIN A GUILD. How does a companion do phase one or even phase two of Operator IX fight in TFB ( this is the fight where you have to channel or stand in a colored circle based on your class, ) to make comanions able to even just run as dps during a raid fight you either have to rework any part of a fight that requires them to do more then stand there and pew pew or make them immune to aoe and standing in bad stuff , or they will suck up some much of healer resources that what is the point of them. These type of post and the ones that want a min item level to run a pug all was get me, Really If you dont want to deal with a random person who if you mind isnt as skilled as a very limited AI then grab 3 or 7 friends that you know and trust then group up and que for flash point or Op. you can que up with a full group it doesnt require you to have random players in it. the reward doesnt change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themanthatisi Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I think it would be better to show others how to play them better.... maybe they will even join the guild. Edited April 19, 2013 by Themanthatisi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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