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[Shadowlands] Republic Premades for GSF

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[Shadowlands] Republic Premades for GSF

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Pilgrim_Grey
09.29.2014 , 07:11 AM | #21
Ugh, this bickering is pointless. I've queued both sides and seen the same things people complain about Imps or Pubs doing. I'll say that at least pubside I'll have about 40% matches where things are even (the rest we're either slaughtering the others or are being slaughtered). Impside... it's a lot worse. Unless I queue up with Xi'ao and some others, it seems like I'm always on a complete mismatch, and my alts not being as far along there makes it even harder to at least make a dent in the tough odds.

Not exactly sure what to say about the premade thing. Personally, I'd want to queue with smaller groups if I was Xi'ao and co., because when they're on a team of four or more, it's often like fighting Ender's crew. You can go after the front line, but then the gunships will pick you off, if you go after the gunships, they always have enough scouts zipping around that you can't finish the kill (none of their gunshippers is dumb enough to stick around once they start getting hit).

I'm sure there's some premades on other servers that can compete, but I rarely see a large group queueing together Pubside. I solo queue a lot, and when I can wrangle up some guildies to join in, they're either new to it or just decent pilots that like GSF, and it's usually just 3-4 of us. It's not a team of all stars. At any rate, I do my best against the good groups, but it seems like all I can hope for is to get a couple of kills while most of my team is spending most of the time dead... seriously... there have been matches where the majority of the time was waiting to be able to respawn. Not fun for anyone, I would imagine.

At any rate, I'm often up for teaming for GSF on either side. Can someone remind me what the GSF channels are for both sides? I can't find the thread in the Shadowlands forum at all and wouldn't mind grouping on there when things are quiet for my guild.
Ithyrn (Guardian), Malachais (Gunslinger), Ez'kiel (Commando), I'arwin (Sentinel), Ben'adar (Scoundrel)
Ithryn (Operative), Ithryc (Juggernaut), Thar'kun (Powertech), Ahoshta (Assassin)
Shadowlands Server

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AAntan
09.29.2014 , 09:28 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Pilgrim_Grey View Post
Not exactly sure what to say about the premade thing. Personally, I'd want to queue with smaller groups if I was Xi'ao and co., because when they're on a team of four or more, it's often like fighting Ender's crew.
Lately we been getting into more matches together since Imp side pilots dont like to queue, mostly because when I log in I hear that pubs are rolling them or stuff like that (Idk if they lie or no so...), but most matches we queue together we end up on 2 different matches or wargames. Also you might noticed you won't find all of us at one specific time because we all have a real life.

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I'm sure there's some premades on other servers that can compete, but I rarely see a large group queueing together Pubside.
All servers have premades for everything, GSF isnt the exception... problem I saw in here and talked with people lately (pub side) is drama, e-peen fights or weird hate (supposed hate) that players have to eachother for no apparent reason, but I will leave that for the GSF channels on our server.

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I solo queue a lot, and when I can wrangle up some guildies to join in, they're either new to it or just decent pilots that like GSF, and it's usually just 3-4 of us. It's not a team of all stars.
Believe it or no, we started taking people that want to fly with us and have fun on GSF... We don't care if you are skilled or no (that comes with practice), but we want you to at least give it a try before claiming it sucks. We don't bite, just talk with us and get on your ship.

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At any rate, I do my best against the good groups, but it seems like all I can hope for is to get a couple of kills while most of my team is spending most of the time dead... seriously... there have been matches where the majority of the time was waiting to be able to respawn. Not fun for anyone, I would imagine.
We all had "those" matches where you get camped and/or decimated and you wish that you could fulfill the vendetta that grew on you during that small period of time... What's the best you can do? Dust out, get up and keep going.

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At any rate, I'm often up for teaming for GSF on either side. Can someone remind me what the GSF channels are for both sides? I can't find the thread in the Shadowlands forum at all and wouldn't mind grouping on there when things are quiet for my guild.
Both sides is /cjoin GSF.
Imp Side: Lormaru (PT), Antan (Sniper), Winnía (Sin), Nádía (Op)
Pub Side: Kendoru (Scoundrel), K'ún (VG), Wínnia (Shadow), Sukí (Slinger)


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HuaRya
09.29.2014 , 02:12 PM | #23
Everyone knows Shadowlands is hugely lopsided in favor of the pubs and has been. Since the matching system fills solo queued players around premades it may give the illusion that the tide has turned when in fact it's just premade vs pug.

You get a real chuckle reading about pub gsf'ers posting here saying how good they are. Seriously, if you really think you are good then play the hugely uphill struggle on Imp side. Your five ship toon will lead a brigade of two ship imps into a struggle you have yet to experience. The days of crying over who stole your kill will be replaced by just trying to say alive in an all red three cap match after match after match.....

“I grok in fullness.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

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Pilgrim_Grey
09.29.2014 , 08:40 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by AAntan View Post
All servers have premades for everything, GSF isnt the exception... problem I saw in here and talked with people lately (pub side) is drama, e-peen fights or weird hate (supposed hate) that players have to eachother for no apparent reason, but I will leave that for the GSF channels on our server.


Both sides is /cjoin GSF.
Oh, don't get me wrong. You're going to have premades. I'm technically in one when I play with my guildies (only we're all over in the skill department, so who knows if we'll roll over the opponent or not--be it ground or space). I was just saying that--since GSF is a smaller group than ground PVP, for the most part--it'd still be nice to see fewer of you queueing together sometimes.

I dunno. It's a moot point, probably, because even in groups of 2-3, the matchmaker probably would grab you all most of the time anyway. And it's silly to say don't queue together for people that want to play together. I'm sure some Pubs didn't like me blowing them up when I queue with you all, even if I'm not often over on Impside. It's just so... night and day with your group.

I guess I just wish there was a better matchmaker system. I've lost track of how many times I've been in huge mismatches with you guys when solo queueing, but it's hardly like I haven't been on the reverse (I've had matches where I refused to use missiles or rockets to try to make it more of a challenge, but it didn't help much). *shrugs* Guess the best thing is to try to get more solid groups together, for all of us.

Anyway... see you out there, Starfighters (and thanks for the channel info).
Ithyrn (Guardian), Malachais (Gunslinger), Ez'kiel (Commando), I'arwin (Sentinel), Ben'adar (Scoundrel)
Ithryn (Operative), Ithryc (Juggernaut), Thar'kun (Powertech), Ahoshta (Assassin)
Shadowlands Server

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thedarkpredator
09.29.2014 , 09:16 PM | #25
I simply love the amount of whimpering and crying people are doing cause a few people on the server have managed to get skilled at flying the ships, HELL i would be better if they ever implemented joystick support so that the thing reset to zero when released. but that is neither here or nor there, get better, or stop playing and stop crying. A premade helps only in a tactical sense due to communication between pilots. what i'm trying to say, SUCK IT UP AND PRESS ON. that is all, good day sir

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ThutmoseV
09.29.2014 , 10:19 PM | #26
Shadowlands is not lopsided in favor of the pubs. It might depend on what time you play, though. When I play in the middle of the afternoon, the pubs seem to have the advantage. In the middle of the evening the strong group of Imp pilots that prompted this thread often show up and do very well.

Some complaints in this thread, and others, are about the wrong things. I don't have any problem with what ship people fly. You should fly the ship you like to fly. If you think a ship is overpowered, then fly one yourself. Don't complain about what tactics the enemy uses, everyone should use the tactics they think give them the best chance to win. If someone trash talks, ignore them (don't feed the trolls). I I play well, it does not matter what anyone says. If I don't play well, that fact bothers me more than anything anyone says. I don't think there is any correlation between GSF skill and whether or not you are an ******e.

This does not absolve Bioware from trying to improve the GSF experience. But you have to expect that people will play in the way that gives them the best chance, given the current structure of GSF, and you can't complain to them if they do. I have not seen a strategy yet that can't be defeated, relative pilot skill is more important. But I expect a team with voice chat has an easier time coordinating a counter strategy.

All that said, the one complain that is valid is the problem with matchmaking. There have been plenty of discussions about that elsewhere, so I won't repeat that here. I almost always queue solo, but I would like to try more groups and voice chat in matches. So if anyone, inexperienced or veteran, wants to group with Erannov or Deranova for GSF, I will be happy to join. If anyone thinks I am good enough that they want me to join their premade, or use voice chat in a match, I will accept. If the guy who did the OP has any interest in me joining the group he is trying to put together, I would be interested. I don't have the GSF time handy, but I have played over 700 matches.

Also, I am interested in a pub side guild oriented to GSF players and open to any pilot. I don't know if there is such a thing, the Rogues might have had a guild but I have not seen them as a group for a while.

I should probably fly my Imp GSF toon a bit, I have neglected him the last couple of months. So if there is an Imp side GSF guild open to any pilot I might join that also. If you think one faction has too big an advantage and you want to be on the winning side, start a new character and join it. One advantage of GSF is that you can plunge right in with a 1st level character.
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Deranova Guardian Boadicae Sorcerer Kamose Mercenary

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Ahsh
09.30.2014 , 04:59 PM | #27
I'll fly in either a pub or imp group depending on what makes it more fun for everyone, though I will admit I am much better geared pub side. You can find me on Ahsh (pub) or B'ahsh (imp). I also have GSF toons on other servers if anyone else is reading this.

I don't see why there is an argument here. If a group of friends happen to want to play together and happen to be very good at what they do more power to them. If we as pubs want to take down the best we need to step up our game, get in VOIP and play together consistently. Actually ideally for me both sides get in the same VOIP but different channels. I think that would be fun.

None of the top pilots I've seen on either side hack or cheat because frankly they don't need to. We all want more competitive balance in the part of the game that we love. Hopefully bioware will add some features to GSF now that GSH is out. In the meantime we as a community should be open to any grassroots ideas to keep people involved in GSF. Should we do a strikes only night? Tier 1 ships only night? I'm open to ideas.

By the way Xiao thanks for nominating me to the aces forum. I am not on the forums much so just became aware.
Ahsh

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EazyWin
09.30.2014 , 09:59 PM | #28
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I don't usually trash talk, but aren't you one of those "turkey shoots" that I farm? Also... I would take you more serious if you didn't base your gameplay on farming every red power-up you can.
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Exactly, the OP is used to matches where they can do Gunship ball and farm 2-ship players that have no clue... but if a premade or even organized players show up, have mercy on them cause they are not used to that.
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problem I saw in here and talked with people lately (pub side) is drama, e-peen fights or weird hate (supposed hate) that players have to each other for no apparent reason, but I will leave that for the GSF channels on our server.
I'll just leave this here. It amused me.

Ahsh, the issue (as it seems to me) is that one group has become powerful enough, that at this point trying to form an equivalent group on the opposite side requires more time and effort than most are willing to put in. It would be an uphill battle anyway, now you have a group that is already at the top of the hill throwing boulders down on you (metaphorically). IMO most of this could be solved by a matchmaking system, even if queue times did increase initially.

Stercus'accidit/Serviam for those who care, I also stopped playing GSF for the most part due to getting steamrolled at night by the same premade. Call it what you want, it's just not fun to get roflstomped by the same crew every week. I'm not saying that team can't queue as a group, because friends absolutely should group together, it's a bloody MMO. Why not make my own crew? If I could, I would have, but I don't, so I'll just wait until it stops being fun for you guys and I'll come back to it later.
Pain is weakness leaving the body

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Fractalsponge
10.01.2014 , 04:00 PM | #29
Really guys? Get it together or stop whining. If pubside gets a group together, then we'll fight it out in match. Otherwise, stop pretending anyone cares that your feelings are hurt; imperial side went through worse when everyone was solo queuing for the first 3 months of gsf.

Everyone has a standing invite to queue with me imperial side. Except for the worthless print screen abusers. We know who you are.
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caederon
10.01.2014 , 04:17 PM | #30
As an official GSF Nomad, I've flown almost everywhere... I've flown with Xi'ao's crew a number of times, and lately I've been queuing pubside on Shadowlands as Beres. The difference in the two sides is that Xi'ao & co. know the game, and the majority of pubs I've seen don't. Lots of imps don't, too, as I've been on a number of teams usually in the morning hours where it was me (as Desponn) and at most, one other quality pilot against whatever the pubs could field. Results varied.

There is a simple solution to getting a more balanced playing field:

If you are on the side that is losing more often than not, be a student of the game, improve your play, and most importantly, help elevate the less experienced pilots around you into better teammates. This requires effort. It requires getting people to join the GSF chat channel, and using it to discuss strats and gameplay. It necessitates that you as a veteran share your expertise and in a non-destructive, non-confrontational way work to improve the level of the people on your side that are not doing too well. It is not easy, it is often frustrating.

Make an effort to improve your own conditions. Group with good veterans. Triamterene always stands out as a threat when I'm flying imp and though I've not spoken to him on pub, I like seeing that name show up. Some of the Rogue-s (forgive me for not recalling which numbers) consistently do well, too. Ask them questions, look for people who do better than you on the scoreboard, ask them questions. If I'm on as Beres, ask me to group or ping me for GSF advice. Learn. Improve.

Don't bemoan your fate... build a better one!

- Despon