Vaidinah Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Aerallos it will be hard to beat your Engi parse without lucky RNG. Took a closer look at it and 15:30:08.980 130s Scatter Bombs 2068 kinetic No Operations Training Dummy 15:30:09.069 131s Scatter Bombs 2108 kinetic No Operations Training Dummy 15:30:09.169 131s Scatter Bombs 2101 kinetic No Operations Training Dummy 15:30:09.326 131s Scatter Bombs 4159* kinetic Yes Operations Training Dummy 15:30:09.376 131s Scatter Bombs 4150* kinetic Yes Operations Training Dummy 15:30:10.276 132s Scatter Bombs 4187* kinetic Yes Operations Training Dummy 15:30:10.373 132s Scatter Bombs 2065 kinetic No Operations Training Dummy 15:30:10.478 132s Scatter Bombs 2074 kinetic No Operations Training Dummy 15:30:10.639 132s Flyby 7876* elemental Yes Operations Training Dummy 15:30:10.640 132s Scatter Bombs 2100 kinetic No Operations Training Dummy 15:30:10.695 132s Scatter Bombs 4018* kinetic Yes Operations Training Dummy 4 Scatter Bombs and 1 Flyby crit with Power Surge/Boost buff. 22,320 damage in 2 seconds lol. Also this was using the double 2-pc PVP bonus. I thought they patched it out sometime ago does anyone know? Yeah, it was patched out as noted above. After they fixed the double stacking of 2 piece bonuses, I did another set of parses with just a 2 piece PvP bonus and got very similar results here with 3412 DPS. That is per the Harbinger's rules so the beginning is clipped as well, but it's only about 25 DPS below my previous best (3437 DPS) with the double stacking 2 piece bonuses. I would have lost more damage (I think around 50) from losing the 2nd 2 piece bonus, but I changed to 7/36/3 spec and that seems to give me about 20 extra DPS to make up for it. These are definitely both lucky parses, but interestingly, the critical chance on my skills is only about 3-5% beyond my normal (I had 64 crit rating, which was around 24% chance) at most for almost all of them. The key difference in my highest DPS parses is actually in getting high critical rates on Flyby/Orbital. I had a 34.29% crit rate on Orbital for my 3437 parse and 30% on the 3412 one. It makes sense since Flyby/Orbital has the highest individual damage of any of our skills and does elemental damage on top of that so that it ignores armor. Now if only there was some way to will Flyby/Orbital to crit... Edited June 18, 2013 by Vaidinah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Yeah, it was patched out as noted above. After they fixed the double stacking of 2 piece bonuses, I did another set of parses with just a 2 piece PvP bonus and got very similar results here with 3412 DPS. That is per the Harbinger's rules so the beginning is clipped as well, but it's only about 25 DPS below my previous best (3437 DPS) with the double stacking 2 piece bonuses. I would have lost more damage (I think around 50) from losing the 2nd 2 piece bonus, but I changed to 7/36/3 spec and that seems to give me about 20 extra DPS to make up for it. These are definitely both lucky parses, but interestingly, the critical chance on my skills is only about 3-5% beyond my normal (I had 64 crit rating, which was around 24% chance) at most for almost all of them. The key difference in my highest DPS parses is actually in getting high critical rates on Flyby/Orbital. I had a 34.29% crit rate on Orbital for my 3437 parse and 30% on the 3412 one. It makes sense since Flyby/Orbital has the highest individual damage of any of our skills and does elemental damage on top of that so that it ignores armor. Now if only there was some way to will Flyby/Orbital to crit... 7/36/3 that is a great idea if you use Ambush / Aimed Shot. OP updated:Spec: with Ambush [some reading here] 7/36/3 - Sniper 7/36/3 - Gunslinger without Ambush 5/36/5 - Sniper 5/36/5 - Gunslinger I still personally haven't gotten around to testing out Ambush / Aimed Shot but i see myself putting it back in my skill bar. It's a very high DPE ability compared to Snipe and i can definitely see myself using it more in the near future... Thanks! Edited June 18, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaidinah Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I just want to mention that in your spoiler, you have the specs listed as 7/36/2 instead of 7/36/3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) I have to say i should have spent more time testing out Ambush rotation. Your suggestion went pretty well Aerro not to mention it helped in energy management a lot. Ambush is looking like a good alternative to Snipe-RS spam filler. 7/36/3 - 3483 DPS I just want to mention that in your spoiler, you have the specs listed as 7/36/2 instead of 7/36/3. Ah thanks aerro hehe. Edited June 18, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaidinah Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I have to say i should have spent more time testing out Ambush rotation. Your suggestion went pretty well Aerro not to mention it helped in energy management a lot. Ambush is looking like a good alternative to Snipe-RS spam filler. 7/36/3 - 3483 DPS Ah thanks aerro hehe. Nice job man! Now I really want to finish up the rest of my gear to see if I can beat that parse. Your crit percentages are so varied as you have a low crit of 15% on Orbital, but 40-50% on Explosive Probe, Snipe, Rifle Shot, and good ole Ambush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) Nice job man! Now I really want to finish up the rest of my gear to see if I can beat that parse. Your crit percentages are so varied as you have a low crit of 15% on Orbital, but 40-50% on Explosive Probe, Snipe, Rifle Shot, and good ole Ambush. I was at 3300 when i started until i cleaned up the rotation instead of mashing buttons. I like how Ambush fits in when everything is on CD and all your dots are up. Just as you had suggested in your previous post. Edited June 18, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Updated with Ambush for the 3483 DPS parse: Complete Priority List http://i.imgur.com/jUmdIZb.jpg *this is not a rotation! Slinger icons coming soon. Edited June 22, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJNJ Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Updated with Ambush for the 3483 DPS parse: Complete Priority List http://i.imgur.com/jUmdIZb.jpg *this is not a rotation! Slinger icons coming soon. Jeez why OS and EP so far back? Based on DPE and DPCT they both can beat out SoS I would assume... Plus it's an EP+SoS combo, not SoS+EP Also some caution on that new parse, I don't think u can get a 40% crit on ambush too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Jeez why OS and EP so far back? Based on DPE and DPCT they both can beat out SoS I would assume... Also some caution on that new parse, I don't think u can get a 40% crit on ambush too often. It IS very peculiar CJ... http://www.torparse.com/a/294248/time/1371544606/1371544908/0/Damage+Dealt Orbital Strike is VERY LOW 15% crit. Ambush on the other hand is 40% crit but i'd argue the DPS increase is not that high. If both Ambush and Orbital were at 25% (normal range) maybe the DPS may even be higher. What do you think? RE: Priority list, hmm let's see... http://i.imgur.com/I1yxGJF.png, With the exception of the execute ability (i don't really know where to put it :-\, i placed Orbital behind Plasma Probe because i want to be casting OS while my DoT(s) are ticking. When I parse on the dummy and my dots run out during Orbital's loooong cast time, i'm sitting at 3 seconds of not dealing damage at all and i notice it lowers the average numbers down a lot. That's basically my only reasoning for putting it behind the DoT. EDIT: OP Priority list - Single target in icons http://i.imgur.com/I1yxGJF.png *updated* Saving TA for CE or CE/EMP combo and with PP ticking while OS is being cast More importantly... the way i've practiced Engineering is that whenever Orbital is up, SoS is ALWAYS on cooldown and I have all my dots, especially Plasma Probe, ticking as well. This way my dots are doing damage and my SoS is on cooldown while I cast Orbital and that makes me feel good inside I've seen too many instances where DPS goes down by 200 while i cast Orbital because the dummy has literally only a shatter shot debuff on it. Edited June 22, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Plus it's an EP+SoS combo, not SoS+EP What do you mean by this? Hmm.. The priority list says to keep SoS on cooldown first before Explosive Probe. It takes priority over Explosive Probe because when both of them are used on cooldown, SoS is going to deal more damage over the same amount of time. Edited June 22, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJNJ Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Be ticking before you OS, that makes sense enough I put EP has twice the cool down of SoS, of course it's gonna do less damage lol. I argue EP 1st however for energy management. Using anything other then SoS to detonate the clusters will end up being inefficient or a dps loss. Your parses even use EP+SoS. If you want to tell people to use SoS over OS and EP based purely on damage that's fine, but then it's not really a priority system, it's a list of how much total damage is put out by each move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) delete Edited June 23, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 (edited) Ok here we go... I would agree with most of that except that I generally keep the 3 main DoTs on over Series of Shots (unless I can get at least half the skill in before they fall off). This is because I can get 2 Series of Shots before my DoTs fall off, anyways, so it's not worth it to me to use SoS earlier since I'm not going to have it up 3 times before I need to re-apply DoTs. For the sake of the priority list, though, I do agree that Series of Shots is better damage overall than any DoT. For Takedown, I don't know where to put it except near the end above Ambush since it doesn't keep up Electrified Railgun stacks and the damage isn't that great otherwise. Explosive Probe is another tricky one since it deals great damage with Cluster Bombs, but is tough to fit into the rotation without delaying the stronger abilities. Ideally, it should be higher priority than even Series of Shots, but due to it's awkward 25.5 second cooldown, this doesn't happen. If this gets used before Series of Shots early on, you can't use 2 Series of Shots before the DoTs wear off. New Priority List: http://i.imgur.com/MTdDOHl.jpg An armor pen debuff must be up at all timesIdeally you want to pop TA then do CE (which is especially nice when you have CE / EMP / CE combo available)You want your DoTs ticking before you cast SoSIdeally you want your DoTs up and SoS on cooldown while you cast OSExecute ability does not do a lot of damage and I would put it just above Ambush Priority list - Single Target: New Priority List: http://i.imgur.com/MTdDOHl.jpgAn armor pen debuff must be up at all times.Ideally you want to pop TA then do CE (which is especially nice when you have CE / EMP / CE combo available)You want your DoTs ticking before you cast SoS.Ideally you want your DoTs up and SoS on cooldown while you cast OS.Execute ability does not do a lot of damage and I would put it just below Ambush.Shatter Shot Flourish ShotCovered Escape Hightail ItEMP Sabotage ---------------------------Plasma Probe Incendiary GrenadeInterrogation Probe Shock ChargeCorrosive Dart Vital Shot ----------------------------Series of Shots Speed ShotExplosive Probe Sabotage Charge ---------------------------Orbital Strike* Flyby*Electrified Railgun x3 Blazing Speed x3Takedown QuickdrawAmbush Aimed ShotSnipe* Charged Burst*Overload Shot Quick Shot Asterisks* certain abilities (OS/Snipe and Flyby/CB) because their usage will vary a lot depending on the circumstances. Edited June 23, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odawgg Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 B'oarder I lol'd at ur sig I wouldn't call u a bench player, but if so then there needs to be a SWTOR 9th man award! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) OT:B'oarder I lol'd at ur sig I wouldn't call u a bench player, but if so then there needs to be a SWTOR 9th man award! Ok let's change it to sitting on the fleet player . Edited June 25, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Hey guys I made this Google Doc presentation for the Engineering / Saboteur guide. Hopefully it's as precise and as user-friendly as I'd hope it to be. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11l_KM33L96QRQrJ9DsOQg3pajyXQ0AdKTkJC6QL7ixA/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000#slide=id.gee3b8a9d_0161 CJNJ, Vaidinah, BetaKiller check out the last slide Edited June 27, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaidinah Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 It looks great and I doubt we'll ever see a guide to playing a spec so thoroughly explained again. I honestly wonder what the designer's intentions were behind this spec. I really doubt it ended up exactly as expected, but regardless, I'm glad it is in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yngow Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I am having a hard time on this spec but I'm pretty sure that some training will fix it. When I do my rotation without using covered escape I have energy problems, I probably am using too much the regular skills when I should be using basic attack. When I use covered escape it pretty much fixes my energy problems but I end up missing uptime on my dots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) I am having a hard time on this spec but I'm pretty sure that some training will fix it. When I do my rotation without using covered escape I have energy problems, I probably am using too much the regular skills when I should be using basic attack. When I use covered escape it pretty much fixes my energy problems but I end up missing uptime on my dots Hey check out the 4th slide in this googledoc presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11l_KM33L96QRQrJ9DsOQg3pajyXQ0AdKTkJC6QL7ixA/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000#slide=id.gee3b8a9d_0161 You can see there that i only use the basic abilities and never run out of energy Edited June 28, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yngow Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think I got it now, its a little tricky when you include ambush but the short cd on adrenaline probe compensates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Posting a new record for 16m HM Titan-6... Still full underworld (72s) 3454.3 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/322180/5/0/Overview Also http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=656989 has really good recommendations for Engineering.. Finally a sim/math person for the sniper forums >_< Edited July 4, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaidinah Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) Very nice parse. Once we get down the Dread Guards, I'll be doing more actual Saboteur in raids hopefully. I got my new highest parse. Aeralos (3577 DPS) http://www.torparse.com/a/324356/tim...012/0/Overview Spec: 7/36/3 Saboteur Gunslinger My gear is completely optimized at this point with full 72s and 0 75s. I've gotten around this mark at least 3 times in the last couple days so while it's definitely still lucky, it's not too crazy. I'm running the crit adrenal and have 99.91% Accuracy and I have the same 52 crit rating you have. Edited July 5, 2013 by Vaidinah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Very nice parse. Once we get down the Dread Guards, I'll be doing more actual Saboteur in raids hopefully. I got my new highest parse. Aeralos (3577 DPS) http://www.torparse.com/a/324356/tim...012/0/Overview Spec: 7/36/3 Saboteur Gunslinger My gear is completely optimized at this point with full 72s and 0 75s. I've gotten around this mark at least 3 times in the last couple days so while it's definitely still lucky, it's not too crazy. I'm running the crit adrenal and have 99.91% Accuracy and I have the same 52 crit rating you have. Ooh I do have a crit adrenal as well (reusable). I tried it a couple of times and didn't like the results. But if you get lucky though i assume itll be great for Orbital - Roll - EMP - Roll. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJNJ Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Just curious but any of u know Iif you can roll over the red flowers on WH and still be okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Just curious but any of u know Iif you can roll over the red flowers on WH and still be okay? I can "slightly" recoll rolling through the red puddle to DPS the adds (note: someone was already standing there to pick up the debuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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