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planet_J
03.13.2013 , 11:09 PM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by jasonthelamb View Post
yeah I guess my parse 2200-2500 DPS is because I dont know my rotation.

First off, I sunder to get the armor debuff, so that my following attacks are all hitting at 4 stacks of armor debuff (2 for sunder, 2 for saber throw), I don't waste time saberthrowing before I leap because it takes longer for the saber to get back the farther you are away, at 0m it is essentially the same as vicious throw.

Secondly, I ravage -> impale/shatter before I use my scream because us juggs have this cool thing that gives us a huge crit bonus for 5s after shatter/impale on force scream and execute, making my scream hit more later (while it's still free), rather than popping it early.

So, before you try and correct people; PLEASE learn your class.
Notice where I said PRIORITY? I KNOW my class!
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vadess
03.14.2013 , 07:17 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by jasonthelamb View Post
yeah I guess my parse 2200-2500 DPS is because I dont know my rotation
Can I get a link to one of your parses? Also, what does your gear look like?
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vadess
03.14.2013 , 08:21 PM | #173
Also, here is a link to a more recent parse of mine in front of a training dummy- http://www.torparse.com/a/164223/25/0/Overview as well as my current gear set and spec tree- http://www.torparse.com/a/164341/tim...0/Damage+Dealt. Appreciate any constructive feedback as I am trying to mimic Maull's parse.
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Doomkazar
04.01.2013 , 09:13 PM | #174
Hello, i am fairly new to Juggy dps but i have been reading alot. got to lvl 50 not long ago and got some basic gear. (i know the stats are all wrong right now but I'm working on it)

here is my current item build: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...2-a3c468472201

i parse between 1200-1250 in that gear http://www.torparse.com/a/177625 (the very last one)

would love if someone could look if I'm doing anything right or wrong.

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Turiya
04.01.2013 , 10:34 PM | #175
For a start take the points you have in deafening defence and put them into battle cry. You also want to take 2 points out of malice and put them into decimate. Go through the whole thread and check out the stuff that Maull(Okuy) has put up, find his parse and try and match it. I'm still working on mine and can parse over 1400 on the ops training dummy now(unstimmed and no adrenals, just class buffs). Prior to coming across this thread I was barely making 1200.

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Doomkazar
04.02.2013 , 07:52 AM | #176
oh yeah.. sorry forgot to update my skill tree on mr robot i am using the one mauull posted on my jugg atm

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Doomkazar
04.02.2013 , 01:23 PM | #177
also should Ravage be used on CD even if my DoT's are not up. should prioritize ravage or getting up my dots in that situation?

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drummerinthesun
04.03.2013 , 12:16 PM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomkazar View Post
also should Ravage be used on CD even if my DoT's are not up. should prioritize ravage or getting up my dots in that situation?
Check out the PVE guide for Guardians. It's got some pretty good stuff there. It's a bit longer than this thread, but read Okuy's posts well in that one.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=515309
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Turiya
04.03.2013 , 08:42 PM | #179
Ravage is the primary damage attack that vengeance Juggs have so it should be used, I think(?), on every CD without fail.

With my results I seem to have hit a wall. I've been looking over the other thread mentioned above and looking into parses a bit more and I think I have my priority slightly out. At the moment I just can't get past ~1460DPS.

Current gear(should be correct) here: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...7-8e36fba8b042

And latest parse here(17 minutes on the dummy!): http://www.torparse.com/a/178632/2/0/Overview

At the moment I've been doing this:

Opening rotation: throw, charge, ravage, shatter, scream, smash, impale (if ravage is procc'd again I'll insert that)

Priority while ravage on CD: Shatter, scream, smash and impale

I insert sundering assault to try and keep the armor debuff up and to generate a bit of rage. Enrage I generally use when rage is < 6. When throw and charge are off cd and i'm low on rage and enrage is still on cd i'll back away and throw then leap in again.

Looking at the other thread and parses contained within it looks like I'm lacking in the number of attacks I'm doing and also my priority needs improving. It looks like I should swap around smash and impale.

Any other pointers?

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vadess
04.05.2013 , 09:56 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Turiya View Post
Ravage is the primary damage attack that vengeance Juggs have so it should be used, I think(?), on every CD without fail.

With my results I seem to have hit a wall. I've been looking over the other thread mentioned above and looking into parses a bit more and I think I have my priority slightly out. At the moment I just can't get past ~1460DPS.

Current gear(should be correct) here: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...7-8e36fba8b042

And latest parse here(17 minutes on the dummy!): http://www.torparse.com/a/178632/2/0/Overview

At the moment I've been doing this:

Opening rotation: throw, charge, ravage, shatter, scream, smash, impale (if ravage is procc'd again I'll insert that)

Priority while ravage on CD: Shatter, scream, smash and impale

I insert sundering assault to try and keep the armor debuff up and to generate a bit of rage. Enrage I generally use when rage is < 6. When throw and charge are off cd and i'm low on rage and enrage is still on cd i'll back away and throw then leap in again.

Looking at the other thread and parses contained within it looks like I'm lacking in the number of attacks I'm doing and also my priority needs improving. It looks like I should swap around smash and impale.

Any other pointers?
1) Part of the reason people on the dummy, such as Okuy, are getting 1800-1900DPS is because they are using adrenals and are fully buffed, as well as stims. So... those numbers are great but they aren't thanks to pure, raw, power. Your number is good for someone in all BH/campaign gear if you don't have all the drugs and buffs pumping you up.

2) Save smash more for rage building. With the set bonus use it, saber throw, and sundering assault for that purpose and not as one of the main damage dealers.

3) In light of 2.0 I switched my rotation around as the critical buff force scream gets can get stacked when you use shatter, impale, and vicious throw if destroyer is procc'd. To that end here's my rotation:
a) Opener: Throw--> Charge-->Ravage--> Shatter--> Impale--> Force Scream. Note I put ravage in between if Shatter and/or Impale proc it
b) Priority: Shatter-->[Ravage]--> Impale--> [Ravage]--> Force Scream
c) Rage Builder: Saber Throw (I have the set bonus)--> Sundering Assault--> Smash--> Assault (if others are on cool down)
When 2.0 comes out I'll include vicious through in there when destroyer is proc'd.
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