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Arsenal Merc to Pyro Merc?


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Henu
01.30.2013 , 05:35 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post


read the skill boxes plx
Just for some reason i always thought it was 2sec, i think i got this in mind because im leveling a commando atm and i haven't use the skill points to lower lasting times.
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koffinushko
01.31.2013 , 05:13 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Henu View Post
i still dont/wont use it. My only cast/channeling moves i use besides heals are Unload and TM. It just leaves you open to much to be interrupted and also you cant move around as much.
same with me... as arsenal I'm never using powershot...
Look guys , I don't undrestand why so many people think that arsenal spec is only about TM??? In PvE maybe but in PvP thats not true!!! U have to use only 2 channeled abilities... TM and Unload...
Classic PvP starter.... Explosive Dart+Unload , now depends... am I targeted ? No? So.. target.. TM , TM ,TM - HSM... ( maybe 2 TM and HSM and then UNLOAD if procs... for Better Heat management ) . You allways have to know that not Tracer... but UNLOAD is your hardest hitter... so for me I'm glad if dude interupts me TM and he get full unload + HSM from me. For using power surge it depends too... I'm using it mainly for starter .. Power Surge+ TSO + Fusion Missile.. or just saving it for an insta heal with rapid scan.. for same reason I'm not using railshot at all cost (I am using it but my priority is unload or HSM).. and saving tracer locks for instant heal with healing scan. It allways depends on situation.
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Henu
01.31.2013 , 05:27 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by koffinushko View Post
same with me... as arsenal I'm never using powershot...
Look guys , I don't undrestand why so many people think that arsenal spec is only about TM??? In PvE maybe but in PvP thats not true!!! U have to use only 2 channeled abilities... TM and Unload...
Classic PvP starter.... Explosive Dart+Unload , now depends... am I targeted ? No? So.. target.. TM , TM ,TM - HSM... ( maybe 2 TM and HSM and then UNLOAD if procs... for Better Heat management ) . You allways have to know that not Tracer... but UNLOAD is your hardest hitter... so for me I'm glad if dude interupts me TM and he get full unload + HSM from me. For using power surge it depends too... I'm using it mainly for starter .. Power Surge+ TSO + Fusion Missile.. or just saving it for an insta heal with rapid scan.. for same reason I'm not using railshot at all cost (I am using it but my priority is unload or HSM).. and saving tracer locks for instant heal with healing scan. It allways depends on situation.
this guy gets it. +1.. just an add also open with the HSM, if you get those 3 off (HSM, ED and unload) it puts your target on the back foot right away.. then you can control a fight with your CC's, shields and heals.
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Omophorus
02.01.2013 , 02:26 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Henu View Post
this guy gets it. +1.. just an add also open with the HSM, if you get those 3 off (HSM, ED and unload) it puts your target on the back foot right away.. then you can control a fight with your CC's, shields and heals.
Assuming no one interrupts Unload, sure.

Conversely, Pyro can TD > IM > RS > Unload > ED > RS for even more burst, and if the Unload gets interrupted it will still proc PPA and the burst will roll on. If Arsenal's Unload gets interrupted, you're scrambling.
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Krayshawn
02.01.2013 , 08:54 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Omophorus View Post
Assuming no one interrupts Unload, sure.

Conversely, Pyro can TD > IM > RS > Unload > ED > RS for even more burst, and if the Unload gets interrupted it will still proc PPA and the burst will roll on. If Arsenal's Unload gets interrupted, you're scrambling.
Your PPA gets procced but Unload is on CD still for 15 seconds, Barrage Gives unload a 6 second CD and is by far the hardest hitter over TM... Lets not forget the utility that Arsenal brings in place over Pyro (don't get me wrong, I love pyro i have a vanguard, merely defending arsenal).

Power Barrier grants a 5% damage reduction, Sure, Trace Lock can add DPS, but its great for a instant Healing scan, quickly LoS, pop some heals. An Armour Debuff which supports an entire team, 70% snare on unload (this sucks when I play one of my melee classes), 4 second root on rocket punch, Longer knock back.

With the 2 piece eliminator you get 5 seconds off jet boost, making it 20 seconds, Stack this with the PvE 2 piece and you also get 15% crit chance on TM.

BTW, I think you mean your scrambling. Arsenal is a far more "difficult" spec in my mind. By that i mean it requires you to perceive whats going on and situationaly plan out your next move... Your last sentence makes you sound like you had a bad experience with Arsenal when you were a child...
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Omophorus
02.01.2013 , 02:37 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Krayshawn View Post
Your PPA gets procced but Unload is on CD still for 15 seconds, Barrage Gives unload a 6 second CD and is by far the hardest hitter over TM... Lets not forget the utility that Arsenal brings in place over Pyro (don't get me wrong, I love pyro i have a vanguard, merely defending arsenal).

Power Barrier grants a 5% damage reduction, Sure, Trace Lock can add DPS, but its great for a instant Healing scan, quickly LoS, pop some heals. An Armour Debuff which supports an entire team, 70% snare on unload (this sucks when I play one of my melee classes), 4 second root on rocket punch, Longer knock back.

With the 2 piece eliminator you get 5 seconds off jet boost, making it 20 seconds, Stack this with the PvE 2 piece and you also get 15% crit chance on TM.

BTW, I think you mean your scrambling. Arsenal is a far more "difficult" spec in my mind. By that i mean it requires you to perceive whats going on and situationaly plan out your next move... Your last sentence makes you sound like you had a bad experience with Arsenal when you were a child...
Barrage is insanely easy to interrupt and any sane enemy is looking out because they know it's dangerous.

I think *you're* scrambling to justify how the single worst PVP spec in the game isn't the worst somehow.

Other than HSM, Railshot (if possible, which it often isn't), and ED, you have no instant damage. HSM and ED are on 15s CDs. If you're under any pressure at all, your DPS drops to near zero. There's just no getting around that fact.

I would never even *think* about spec'ing Arsenal on my Merc in PVP, because I know, from all of my other classes, on which I hunt Arsenal Mercs as free kills, that they're just too easy to dominate, and have far too few options to prevent it.

It's nice that you like the Arsenal spec and all, but that doesn't change reality. Arsenal, more than any other spec in the game, wilts under pressure. Everyone knows this. Everyone knows Arsenal can't do anything about. Ergo, they pressure Arsenal players to turn an 8v8 WZ into an 8v7 WZ with one punching bag.
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Henu
02.01.2013 , 06:22 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Omophorus View Post
Barrage is insanely easy to interrupt and any sane enemy is looking out because they know it's dangerous.

I think *you're* scrambling to justify how the single worst PVP spec in the game isn't the worst somehow.

Other than HSM, Railshot (if possible, which it often isn't), and ED, you have no instant damage. HSM and ED are on 15s CDs. If you're under any pressure at all, your DPS drops to near zero. There's just no getting around that fact.

I would never even *think* about spec'ing Arsenal on my Merc in PVP, because I know, from all of my other classes, on which I hunt Arsenal Mercs as free kills, that they're just too easy to dominate, and have far too few options to prevent it.

It's nice that you like the Arsenal spec and all, but that doesn't change reality. Arsenal, more than any other spec in the game, wilts under pressure. Everyone knows this. Everyone knows Arsenal can't do anything about. Ergo, they pressure Arsenal players to turn an 8v8 WZ into an 8v7 WZ with one punching bag.
when im on my merc there is no such thing as a free kill. :P
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