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[guide] How to get Grade 31/72 schematics

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[guide] How to get Grade 31/72 schematics

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Khevar
04.24.2014 , 03:52 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowMudkip View Post
The grade 28s are the stuff that drops from the oricon quests right? Where do you get the schematics to craft those?
Grade 28 Barrels, Hilts, Armoring, Mods and Enhancements are available at the Armstech, Cybertech and Artifice vendors. They're only green (138 rating), so you'll have to craft and reverse engineer them until you learn the purple (156 rating).

The schematics for the [Artifact] level earpieces, implants and offhands can be purchased with Basic Commendations at a vendor on the fleet (standing next to the white crafting materials vendor) so long as you have a high enough standing with the Makeb faction.

Just as a note, some of the grade 28 crafted gear is good enough to last you quite a ways into end game gear, as you can craft the low-endurace versions. Examples:

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/gear/499...lex-d-enhancer
has better stats than this grade 30 implant:
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/gear/475...-mk-1-enhancer

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/gear/463...enhancement-28
has almost the same mitigation budget as this grade 31 piece (gotten from Verpine gear)
http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/gear/461...enhancement-31

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CheaterLL
04.25.2014 , 03:11 AM | #32
You can also RE the blue 28 armorings, mods and enhancements from drops in 55 FPs, that way you can save a lot of mats.
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BenduKundalini
05.07.2014 , 09:25 AM | #33
Awesome post, Psandak, thanks!

There's one or two (or six or seven, lol) things thing still not too clear for me though:

1 - I've read a rumor that some stuff bought from the GTN didn't give schematics anymore? Not true, right?

2 - I get the legacy shell trick, especially if you send it to an alt, and already tried with some lowbie stuff, but is transfer to a legacy shell a NECESSARY STEP NO MATTER WHAT? Namely when your toon is the one doing both the buying/looting and the reverse engineering? I'd hate to destroy hard-earned 72 modifs just because I wanted to save 30k-50k on extraction...

Example: My arms crafter buys a 69 (162) offhand blaster with 140 basic comms. I take out the barrel: can I RE it right off the bat or do I still have to put it in a legacy gun first, and extract it a second time???

I know it is (was?) the case for authored crafted items, so as to remove the name, but what of stuff looted/ bought with coms? Can't you RE the modifications right away without the hassle of paying twice to extract them? (once from the original skin, then from the legacy gear?).

+2.1 - I'm guessing you don't have to do the above, cause otherwise, it also would bring a question: how can you successfully RE equippables like earpieces and implants or weapon shells or skins, given you can't put them in a legacy container?

+2.2 - tell me legacy weapon shells DO take offhand barrels/hilts, please

3 - My cyber and my arms crafter have found two 156 schematics each, the usual way, starting from greens, but you could try the other way round, from actual purples? So level 50 purple is the level you can start doing things this way and never before?

3.1 - can you confirm only lvl 50+/rank 26 and above PURPLES can and will yield schematics? i.e. if I RE a makeb commendation purple 156 armoring or barrel etc, from a legacy shell, I can find a schematic, but any looted/bought purple before level 50 will only yield mats if I RE it? (except tier 2 purples from blue schematics, right?)

4 - I've also read that some rank 26 items (black hole for instance - ilvl 61, 146 index) COULDN'T BE RE'd, especially some armorings from some ops or FPs, and some could. Is that still true? The guides dated from 2012 mostly.

5 - can you learn the schematic of a Makeb reputation item you own (microfilaments etc) if you don't have the reputation to buy that plan? My biochem has old microfilament implants lying around and I'd love to try and RE them, but Makeb is a major PITA for me.

6 - Orange shells: what of them? can you RE any orange shell (except Cartel stuff)? Or only above a certain level?

7 - you speak of a 28% chance on a RE - base 20%, 3% from legacy perks, but what of the remaining 5%? I thought the pet's max affection or craft bonus didn't count towards RE percentages. What I have read and confirmed by devs is that items of a lesser crafting level/grey-green-yellow difficulty are easier to find schematics with - but we're talking 450 for everything here, so where do those missing 5% come from? Confused here.

I do have a couple modifications on my guardian I won't be using so I want to send them to my cyber to RE. Same with an offhand saber hilt (and I hope the Czerka Sword WILL take it, now that I can finally get it!!)

Thanks a million!

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psandak
05.07.2014 , 02:09 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
1 - I've read a rumor that some stuff bought from the GTN didn't give schematics anymore? Not true, right?
Already crafted/GTN stuff is REable if you bind it to you. example: legacy shell mailing thing works or install it into any item, rip it out again, and it should be REable for schematic.

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
2 - I get the legacy shell trick, especially if you send it to an alt, and already tried with some lowbie stuff, but is transfer to a legacy shell a NECESSARY STEP NO MATTER WHAT? Namely when your toon is the one doing both the buying/looting and the reverse engineering? I'd hate to destroy hard-earned 72 modifs just because I wanted to save 30k-50k on extraction...

Example: My arms crafter buys a 69 (162) offhand blaster with 140 basic comms. I take out the barrel: can I RE it right off the bat or do I still have to put it in a legacy gun first, and extract it a second time???

I know it is (was?) the case for authored crafted items, so as to remove the name, but what of stuff looted/ bought with coms? Can't you RE the modifications right away without the hassle of paying twice to extract them? (once from the original skin, then from the legacy gear?).
I have honestly not tried since my item modification crafting characters (cybertech, artifice, and armstech) are not ones I play regularly enough to acquire enough comms to buy stuff with; I have always done the legacy shell thing. My guess would be the former: once you rip it out of the shell you bought it should be REable for schematics.

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
+2.1 - I'm guessing you don't have to do the above, cause otherwise, it also would bring a question: how can you successfully RE equippables like earpieces and implants or weapon shells or skins, given you can't put them in a legacy container?
Again not 100% sure but I think token acquired gear is REable but comms purchased gear is not. So Black Market, Verpine, and Oriconian gear is not REable but Arkanian, Underworld, and Dread Forged is. Basically you have to raid to get the tokens to get the chance to RE. Doing that is tough because there is always someone who can use the token gear.

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
+2.2 - tell me legacy weapon shells DO take offhand barrels/hilts, please
Yes. As a matter of fact they recently added more legacy offhand items available at the Gree event vendor on Ilum. It used to be there was only a lightsaber and blaster pistol designed to accept both main hand and off-hand hilts and barrels. The vendor is always there but the event is not. Furthermore, I believe these legacy pieces do require some of the event tokens.

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
3 - My cyber and my arms crafter have found two 156 schematics each, the usual way, starting from greens, but you could try the other way round, from actual purples? So level 50 purple is the level you can start doing things this way and never before?
It is my understanding that you can skip a step by acquiring rating 156 blue quality item modifications from items dropped by level 55HMFP bosses. You also might be able to RE the oriconian story line quest rewards' item modifications (they are grade 28/rating 156 purple), but by the time that story came out I had done all the Cybertech and Artifice trained grade 28 greens to blues to purples, so I had no reason to try.

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
3.1 - can you confirm only lvl 50+/rank 26 and above PURPLES can and will yield schematics? i.e. if I RE a makeb commendation purple 156 armoring or barrel etc, from a legacy shell, I can find a schematic, but any looted/bought purple before level 50 will only yield mats if I RE it? (except tier 2 purples from blue schematics, right?)

4 - I've also read that some rank 26 items (black hole for instance - ilvl 61, 146 index) COULDN'T BE RE'd, especially some armorings from some ops or FPs, and some could. Is that still true? The guides dated from 2012 mostly.[/quote

5 - can you learn the schematic of a Makeb reputation item you own (microfilaments etc) if you don't have the reputation to buy that plan? My biochem has old microfilament implants lying around and I'd love to try and RE them, but Makeb is a major PITA for me.
I take it you are a "completionist" (one who wants all schematics just because they exist). I am very much not that and therefore I have never tried any of the above. Furthermore, when I have an overabundance of planetary comms on my level 55s, why would I go through the frustration of trying to RE for those schematics when they are easily acquired from a vendor and shipped to whatever character I want (no shell required, they are BoE)? As a matter of fact, as I say in my OP, I do not even actively seek the top end stuff (If the opportunity presents itself I take it, otherwise I don't bother).

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
6 - Orange shells: what of them? can you RE any orange shell (except Cartel stuff)? Or only above a certain level?
Do not quote me on this, but I think the battlemaster gear sets are REable for schematics. otherwise, you have the trained schematics and that's it.

Quote: Originally Posted by BenduKundalini View Post
7 - you speak of a 28% chance on a RE - base 20%, 3% from legacy perks, but what of the remaining 5%? I thought the pet's max affection or craft bonus didn't count towards RE percentages. What I have read and confirmed by devs is that items of a lesser crafting level/grey-green-yellow difficulty are easier to find schematics with - but we're talking 450 for everything here, so where do those missing 5% come from? Confused here.
You misread/misunderstood. RE is always 20%. I was talking about why players want these schematics and why those reasons are flawed. The profitability of all the top end stuff is predicated on crit crafting; the overwhelming majority of the time the materials to craft the item modifications are more valuable on the GTN than the item modifications themselves. My point in the OP was that while 28% chance to crit craft and get an extra unit is pretty good but not in the short term i.e. someone who is crafting one unit in the hopes of getting two units is three times more likely to only get one unit, so spending the 3.1 million credits on materials when you can buy the item modification you want for 2.5 million (I'm talking about the latest and greatest grade 34/rating 180 stuff), is a little wasteful IMO.

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CheaterLL
05.07.2014 , 10:22 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by psandak View Post
Already crafted/GTN stuff is REable if you bind it to you. example: legacy shell mailing thing works or install it into any item, rip it out again, and it should be REable for schematic.



I have honestly not tried since my item modification crafting characters (cybertech, artifice, and armstech) are not ones I play regularly enough to acquire enough comms to buy stuff with; I have always done the legacy shell thing. My guess would be the former: once you rip it out of the shell you bought it should be REable for schematics.

Correct. It is bound the moment you first modify it, even if you rip it out of an unbound shell.

Again not 100% sure but I think token acquired gear is REable but comms purchased gear is not. So Black Market, Verpine, and Oriconian gear is not REable but Arkanian, Underworld, and Dread Forged is. Basically you have to raid to get the tokens to get the chance to RE. Doing that is tough because there is always someone who can use the token gear.

Again, correct, only tokengear is REable for implants, earpieces and relics, so Arkanian, Underworld and Dread Forged, but not Black Market, Verpine, Oriconian. Also, Nightmare mode gear isn't REable (Kell Dragon, Dread Touched). Arkanian relics bought with Basic Comms are also REable.

Yes. As a matter of fact they recently added more legacy offhand items available at the Gree event vendor on Ilum. It used to be there was only a lightsaber and blaster pistol designed to accept both main hand and off-hand hilts and barrels. The vendor is always there but the event is not. Furthermore, I believe these legacy pieces do require some of the event tokens.

The Gree Weapons cost 8-24 Gree Tokens and you can get any type of weapon but for mailing you will only need one blaster/rifle, one lightsaber (and one knife if you don't want to spend tokens on learning the Sniper barrels).
Edit: The Gree Tokens are called Gray Helix Components


It is my understanding that you can skip a step by acquiring rating 156 blue quality item modifications from items dropped by level 55HMFP bosses. You also might be able to RE the oriconian story line quest rewards' item modifications (they are grade 28/rating 156 purple), but by the time that story came out I had done all the Cybertech and Artifice trained grade 28 greens to blues to purples, so I had no reason to try.

You can RE the purple 28s BUT they WON'T give you the schematics, but the blue ones will give you the purple ones.

I take it you are a "completionist" (one who wants all schematics just because they exist). I am very much not that and therefore I have never tried any of the above. Furthermore, when I have an overabundance of planetary comms on my level 55s, why would I go through the frustration of trying to RE for those schematics when they are easily acquired from a vendor and shipped to whatever character I want (no shell required, they are BoE)? As a matter of fact, as I say in my OP, I do not even actively seek the top end stuff (If the opportunity presents itself I take it, otherwise I don't bother).

As far as I know all 26 and 27 gear is REable (Campaign and Hazmat).

Do not quote me on this, but I think the battlemaster gear sets are REable for schematics. otherwise, you have the trained schematics and that's it.

I also think that battlemaster is REable, but nothing else.

You misread/misunderstood. RE is always 20%. I was talking about why players want these schematics and why those reasons are flawed. The profitability of all the top end stuff is predicated on crit crafting; the overwhelming majority of the time the materials to craft the item modifications are more valuable on the GTN than the item modifications themselves. My point in the OP was that while 28% chance to crit craft and get an extra unit is pretty good but not in the short term i.e. someone who is crafting one unit in the hopes of getting two units is three times more likely to only get one unit, so spending the 3.1 million credits on materials when you can buy the item modification you want for 2.5 million (I'm talking about the latest and greatest grade 34/rating 180 stuff), is a little wasteful IMO.
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imehiel
06.13.2014 , 03:11 AM | #36
great thread, thanks

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FlameLancer
06.14.2014 , 12:09 AM | #37
I'm just gonna ask a question on this. I don't need to know all about RE I already knew this and such and also going over everything on this post helped me confirm what I knew. Now here is my big issue.
So I understand what was said about the whole RE mods and such but what about implants with comms? Can those be RE'd to get schematics? Because my big issue is I had a couple random drops of arkanian and underworld implants from OPs and it would not let me RE those for whatever reason. Now I have 2 toons maxed on elite comms and my 3 toon has all the gear he will need the minute he hits 55 by using legacy gear for him. But I want to use my elite comms to get the elite implants and start to RE those and try to help out my alts and as well any upcoming guild mates that need them. Is this possible or should I now start gearing my companions again?

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CheaterLL
06.14.2014 , 02:00 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by FlameLancer View Post
I'm just gonna ask a question on this. I don't need to know all about RE I already knew this and such and also going over everything on this post helped me confirm what I knew. Now here is my big issue.
So I understand what was said about the whole RE mods and such but what about implants with comms? Can those be RE'd to get schematics? Because my big issue is I had a couple random drops of arkanian and underworld implants from OPs and it would not let me RE those for whatever reason. Now I have 2 toons maxed on elite comms and my 3 toon has all the gear he will need the minute he hits 55 by using legacy gear for him. But I want to use my elite comms to get the elite implants and start to RE those and try to help out my alts and as well any upcoming guild mates that need them. Is this possible or should I now start gearing my companions again?
No.
The Verpine and Oriconian implants, as well as the Arkanian relics bought by basic comms can't be RE'd.
You should spend your comms on offhand weapons to craft the hilts/barrels (if you have artifice/armstech), that's everything you can do with comm-gear exept for outfitting companions.

btw. I have noticed that Dread Forged Gear (I mean the shells) can be RE'd and they actually show the 20% chance. I didn't get a schematic from one yet but I will try to find out if it's correct that you can actually learn them.
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deltadt
06.16.2014 , 07:06 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by psandak View Post
Yes, Oricon stuff is grade 28. Premium/Green quality Grade 28 schematics are available at the trainer. You then have to craft the greens and RE to blue, then craft the blues to RE to purple.
if you haven't done any RE for low level mods etc would it affect the chances of getting the shematic when you RE the level 53 greens?

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psandak
06.16.2014 , 07:29 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by deltadt View Post
if you haven't done any RE for low level mods etc would it affect the chances of getting the shematic when you RE the level 53 greens?
It should not. The 20% chance is constant.